Dear mhaze,

Just you saying something is rubbish certainly doesn't impact its legitimacy one iota.

Leaving that aside here is a little bit of history for you.

Gough Whitlam 1973 established the National Aboriginal Consultative Committee.

Fraser turfed it.

He replaced it with the National Aboriginal Conference.

Bob Hawke got rid of that.

He replaced it with the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Commission

John Howard got rid of that.

National Congress of Australias First Peoples was kicked off in 2008 but was defunded by Abbott in 2013 then finally killed off by the Morrison government.

Why on earth do you think having a Voice to Parliament enshrined in the Constitution is a big ask for first nations people?

Dear Shadow Minister,

http://theconversation.com/why-cant-we-just-establish-the-voice-to-parliament-through-legislation-a-constitutional-law-expert-explains-203652#

It's not "purile," as you suggest.

The Voice must be protected. And it will be governed by legislation.

The Voice will help close the gap in education, health,
housing, and so on. for our First Nations people. Surely you
would not want to kill that off?

SR

"Just you saying something is rubbish certainly doesn't impact its legitimacy one iota."

Its rubbish. We already litigated this in an earlier in this thread where I showed that all major parties supported the intervention. That you don't want that to be true doesn't make it so.

The National Aboriginal Conference was closed because of, among other reasons, significant financial mismanagement. ATSIC was closed down because of, in part, significant financial corruption and nepotism.

Yes, I can see why the carpet-baggers want their phoney-baloney jobs (http://youtu.be/VgF_hP4GO_Q) to be protected behind the constitution.

Squirm all you want SR, but your own 'Dear Leader' has said its about just giving the Aboriginal elite what they want. Nothing more noble that that. They want it...we have to give it to them....apparently.

Foxy, the Minister for aboriginal affairs should currently be dealing with those issues, ["The Voice will help close the gap in education, health, housing, and so on. for our First Nations people."} If Linda Burney is not capable, we need to replace her with an adequate person who will listen and fight for those issues for aboriginals, who are inadequately housed, educated, and have no health services. However, if they wish to retain their 65,000-year-old culture then these services cannot be made available to every isolated camp in the bush.

The Aboriginals who have these services do not need a Voice as these services are provided already. Of course, Thomas Mayo and Thea Reid, Marcia Langton, Linda Burney all have these services already, so they do not need a Voice. The reason they want a Voice was proposed by these elite, was to gain power in influencing the executive Government, the Reserve Bank and Public policy in laws that affect water, lands, and beaches as in WA.

But for Foxy she cannot see the proponents of the Voice already have available all these services, and their agenda is more than these services - it is landlord power.

As Australians, we pride ourselves on our diverse and
vibrant society. One important piece of our history has
not yet been recognised in our Constitution and that is
the 65,000 years of continuous cultural connection to this
land by Indigenous Australians, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander people.

By voting YES in the referendum we create a pathway for
Indigenous Australians to speak directly to the government of
the day about the things that work on the ground of their
communities. This will mean fewer misdirected resources and
real results for Indigenous Australians.

Foxy,

You keep on saying that the voice will help improve the health and welfare of aboriginal people but never say how or why the 11-odd indigenous advisory panels have not done this?

Secondly, a prime example of the scope of this voice came when an Aboriginal voice panel member claimed that the purchase of nuclear submarines should be subject to review by the voice.

This is not a voice but a rent-seeking veto.