Scotty, you're falling into some very bad habits. One of them is to be mendaciously selective in your quotes.

>>Pericles calls terrorists "freedom fighters"<<

No, Scotty, I didn't call them "freedom fighters", I called them "self-proclaimed 'freedom fighters'", which is an entirely different animal. And I went on to condemn their "acts of random and indiscriminate terrorism".

If that was difficult for you to follow, and the importance of the words "self-proclaimed" remains a mystery, then I apologize for not using shorter words or simpler concepts.

>>Yeh righto Pericles, choose a side, because the Muslims wont give a crap and youll be viewed as a traitor among your own<<

Only, Scotty, if you happen to believe in the theory that we are about to be overrun by the twentyfirst-century equivalent of the "Yellow Peril", that has exercised xenophobes for 150 years. Check it out - over the years our attitude towards "the x peril" changes - not as a result of any change on their part, but on ours.

I feel confident that the highly intelligent and decent men and women of Australia will survive this particular piece of scaremongering as well.

>>Pericles compares Osama's band of merry terrorists to the IRA..<<

Wrong again. This is becoming a habit.

I referred to the impact of terrorist activities - "[t]hese are dangerous at an individual level, as were the IRA in their bombing campaigns" - not the organizations that perpetrated them. Whether you are blown up in an English pub by a militant Mick or in a Bali nightclub by an irate Islamist, the effect on your skeletal structure is mighty similar.

But neither threatens world order.

It might be an idea to sharpen up your reading skills, Scotty, before allowing your trembling fingers near a keyboard.

Pericles, I’m afraid that it’s not just a matter of us disagreeing, ‘>>Islam appears to be on an expansion/conquest stage and will never give up until the whole human race is Islamist, or they (Islamists) suffer utter defeat<<

I don't see any evidence for this.

Believe me, I have seen the evidence. When younger I lived and breathed the evidence.

You are an atheist, I believe, but what were you before that? Possibly you were a Christian who realised that there is nothing out there. Well, I was a Moslem before becoming atheist. That doesn’t negate the fact that I was amongst those people (and part of them) that this thread is exposing. My own father disowned me for joining an ‘Infidel’s armed forces’.

I enjoy the western way of life and love the freedoms that we have here. I do not want some mediaeval culture destroying that.

The ‘small cadres and factions’ that you see are but the tip of the iceberg. There are whole families of ‘sleepers’ who profess to be fitting in with us, but are hoping for the day when they, too, can rise against the Infidel.

How can a killer of innocent children be a ‘freedom fighter’?

‘As for the idea that we will all somehow fall under their magical religious spell, that I totally reject. On the basis that most people are too sensible to sign up for a religion - any religion - en masse, particularly if it involves conquering the world.’ I only wish this were true. If the worst happened, many people would be too afraid of the consequences and would pretend to adopt an enforced religion. Similar to enforced adoption of Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe.

At least no-one here can attack me as a racist – how can I make racist comments on my own blood and kin?

Hello Everybody

Many comments here of opposing views are correct.

That is what makes this topic truly difficult and the answers even more so.
It’s not easy to get the balance right but for Australia’s sake we have to.

In order to do that we must have the right Muslim Leaders who respect Australia first and want only peace love and a chance to improve on their lives.
We can’t afford to get it wrong.

May I suggest with respect to everybody we should be talking to as many Muslim people as possibly not only speaking talking about them.

OriginalAussie has pointed out in his or her own way that Australia has many religions.
Of course its true Australia is basically a Christian country and that ought not to change.

It is our history and our heritage.

Noted Author Robert Morey many years ago researched that in England the situation was amazing.

There were more Arab Muslims in England than Methodgelical Christians.

Funded by the vast resources of Arab oil money the Muslim faith were buying abandoned Anglican churches and turning them into mosques at such a rate that some Muslims claimed England would be the first Muslim European country.

A recent article in the Muslim news by Dr Ameer Ali Vice President of AFIC outlines some concerns with AFIC leadership in Australia.

PALE has recently felt the need to walk away after many from a MOU with AFIC and share some concerns also.

Australia by compassion to England is growing and shaping up to be a leader about the celebrate its tenth Anniversary with AFIC.

Every organization has its challenges.
What it all boils down to is a man or woman is only as good as their hand shake no matter the language.

There in lies some of the answers as to how we approach this.
I will leave this link to view Dr Ali making a comment on the cruel live export trade some time ago.
http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

Pardon me if I beleive we can all live together with peace and love without loosing our own "Proud Identidty "

Pericles, ‘You obviously have experience that few others on this forum have. It could be valuable if you were to share it’.

I don’t know how much I would have to detail to have to have you, or anyone else here, believe me as there are so many people who just don’t want to accept the way that it is. Also, the more detail I give, the more chance there is that someone could identify me. I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. I want to be more specific but am afraid of the comeback if I am found out. I will give an outline.

Basically, I was born and brought up in a Moslem family that had emigrated to Europe. My experiences outside of school were purely influenced by Islam and I believed what I was ‘taught’. I was encouraged to criticise Western ways but, if I was in return criticised, to cry ‘racist’. This worked with most of my school teachers and, later, college lecturers to gain their (PC induced) sympathy.

I later met with a European girl who convinced me that the West did not consist of ‘demons’ and ‘infidels’. This was when I dropped out of college and questioned my faith. As I listened to my brothers, sisters, cousins saying how they hated my adopted country and all its people, I realised that our religion was not based on love, but hate. By now I was very dubious about Islam. I even enlisted in the armed forces. That was the last straw for my family. My father says that I am dead and forbids any others to contact me.

I eventually left the army and came to Australia as I had been told that ‘it could not happen here’. I already see the same signs of which I was familiar 16 years ago. I posted here on OLO when I saw the subject as I want this country to wake up.

I've removed a large number of posts from this thread. Some posters were getting unnecessarily aggressive and flaming. If anyone continues with this on this thread after my intervention I will suspend them.

Damn, did I miss a good cat fight?