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Covid - the current state of play

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Three years ago I wrote my first post here calling into question the Covid lockdowns which were then raging throughout Australia. At the time, while it was clear to some that the lockdowns were a denial of science and sense and a massive detriment to the economic wellbeing of the nation, most were buying the governments’ and medical bureaucracy’s memes about needing to lockdown to ‘stop the spread’. Each day, news talking heads breathlessly told us the latest toll of Covid deaths and people knew the tables of death rates per state and nation better than they knew the competition tables of their favourite sports.

Even then, it was clear that differing methods of calculating and assessing what was a Covid death meant that the comparisons were largely useless. But still they were made and treated as though they had mythical meaning. Now three years down the track, the data is being assembled – and it shows how disastrously wrong the lockdown, and later, the vaccine mania was.

We now know that the locking people within their homes was exactly the wrong policy. Researchers struggle to find examples of people died as a result of outdoor exposure to the virus. There are now any number of papers and analyses that show that lockdowns were a mess.

Equally persuasive is the growing knowledge of excess deaths. While comparing deaths assigned to the virus is questionable due to differing definitions, ‘excess deaths’ statistics isn’t. And what do the data show? Well, in Australia excess deaths rates are the highest since WW2. While about half of those excess are Covid deaths, the rest are largely unexplained to date. But even at the time of the lockdowns people were warning of the problems of missed medical appointments, missed diagnoses, and delayed treatments.

Tellingly, international numbers are now becoming available. Sweden, long derided for not locking down, is now seen to have the lowest excess death rate in Europe and indeed the world. Swedish excess deaths per 100000 in the Covid era is much less than Australia
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 31 March 2023 10:02:24 AM
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We have also learned, once the hysteria died down that many of the measures put in place were either useless or just plain wrong.
For example, it is now clear that the mask mandates were completely useless and possibly disadvantageous. Study after study shows that the masks made no difference and that the decisions to enforce masking were based on bad or even no data. But governments used their policing power to enforce a policy on a population too terrified by the false claims to resist.

We also now know that the lockdowns were a terrible policy for children. While it is clear now, as it should have been then, that the virus posed virtually no risk to those under 30, kids were still locked out their schools and cut off from social interaction with their friends and peers. There are now studies from many parts of the world, including Australia, that show increases in child self-harm and suicide attempts. One Australian study shows a massive increase in the admissions of children and adolescents with deliberate self-harm to intensive care during the covid era. Australian data isn’t there yet, but data from the US shows a measurable decline in education outcomes for the kids who were deprived of weeks and months of learning.

We now know that the authorities straight-up lied about the vaccines. They asserted to the public that the vaccine was necessary to stop the transmission of the virus while knowing that it did no such thing and was never intended to. We were told that we needed to vaccinate for the good of those around us – loved ones etc. But the vaccines were never tested to see if they stopped transmission and recent revelations show that an injected vaccine by definition can’t stop the transmission of the virus.

Additionally, information continues to grow that the vaccine can sometimes create health problems rather than solve them
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 31 March 2023 12:52:03 PM
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When our politicians and media kept saying it's a disease of the vaccinated. My mind wondered how they knew that. Were they going into hospitals, collecting data and doing studies to back up their assertion it was a disease of the unvaccinated.

If so, they should have had long ongoing lists with headings like these:-

The vaccinated. The Unvaccinated. Covid events.

I heard and saw nothing of any study like this being done.
I began to doubt the truth of what they were saying.

I started asking this online,where was the simple comparison study
confirming what they kept saying?

Recently Phizer was asked by the European Union Parliament to show such a study. They couldn't produce any such study.Because they had never done one. The CEO of Phizer never turned up, and a couple of
Women on the Phizer marketing staff,who were there ,said they had never seen any such study.

This means everything Phizer claimed about the protection provided to the vaccinated and not the unvaccinated has no long-term substantial
data study to back it up. No such comparison study was ever provided to be peer reviewed by public experts.

In fact out in the community it seems that the vaccinated get Covid more than the unvaccinated. Plus the vaccinated get all the blood clots, and heart problems as well.

Without that comparison study, I don't believe that any of the claims Phizer made about the efficacy of the vaccines had much truth to them, it was just marketing, as Phizer and Investors, (probably a lot of politician investor as well) had one aim, to push the Vaccines in a
marketing campaign that Woolworths and other big merchandise Sellers would have admired. It was pure greed.

The tax payers paid for all the vaccines and the
Big Pharma,Elite investors and political investors made millions and billions.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 31 March 2023 10:58:15 PM
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My above post should have read,v"'disease of the unvaccinated"sorry.
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 31 March 2023 11:00:17 PM
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Economically the lockdowns were a disaster. While this, of course, was known from the outset, governments painted themselves into a corner and the only way out was massive spending.

There are now efforts to try to blame the current economic woes on so-called Putin’s War, but any examination of the data shows that inflationary pressures preceded the Ukrainian invasion. Gigantic sums of money were injected into the system in a fiscal stimulus that was and is unprecedented. New theories had said that such spending was not a problem while traditional economics predicted inflation. Traditional economic theory won. Governments throughout the advanced world are now massively in debt. As inflation rages due to the stimulus spending, authorities have only monetary tools to fight it. In the past, inflation could be combatted by reducing government spending but this is now so far out of the realms of possibilities that it isn’t even considered. So the only tool is interest rates.

While the lockdowns caused the closure of innumerable small to medium businesses, larger organisations, especially Big Pharma, raked in the profits. Inflation is always bad for the middle classes and this time is no different. The whole mess has been called the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the elites in history, and that is barely an exaggeration. This and the next generation will pay for the lockdown mania in higher interest costs and lower growth, along with lower living standards than would otherwise have applied.

In Australia, this fiscal vandalism was perpetrated by a Liberal government. The Liberal claims of greater financial responsibility and fiscal rectitude have been shattered for at least a generation although it remains possible that their opponents might yet outdo them.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 1 April 2023 7:07:31 AM
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One of the takeaways from the lockdown era is the evidence it provided as to how quickly and easily populations will surrendered their freedoms and rights if sufficiently frightened. Not only did the masses meekly adhere to the mask mandates and the vaccine mandates and to be locked in their homes, out of their businesses, separated from family and friends. Not only all that, but they begged the government for more.

When some brave souls stood against the government they were abandoned by the masses. The Victorian government turned the police on the dissidents to the point where they openly used firearms against the protestors. That government was awarded at the polls. People were forced to take the unproven vaccines on pain of being locked out of society and losing their ability to earn a living. We even had demands, some even on these pages, that the vaccine reluctant be forcibly injected, such was the illiberal terror that infected the population.

We know now that much of this fear of the virus was misplaced but deliberately fanned. The Twitter Files have shown that the authorities were censoring not only contentious views but also factual data might have caused vaccine hesitancy.

The lockdown era and its aftermath will affect our lives and those of our kids for decades to come. As such it will be studied and debated equally as long as people try to fathom how society unravelled so easily and how the authorities and authoritarians took advantage of it to increase their wealth and power. More studies are yet to come as the true effects of the vaccines are examined. More and better data will continue to flow as to financial and health effects of lockdowns.

If allowed, historians will also study how opinion was suppressed. We will need to understand how things like the “Great Barrington Declaration “, which in the end has been shown to be correct in all material aspects, was suppressed and its authors effective excommunicated.

Work will continue to try to understand the original of the virus, but that will likely never be resolved.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 1 April 2023 7:11:54 AM
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