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You might not reject it if you did a bit more reading. I recommend one of the more recent books on the subject, 'The Great Reset' by Marc Morano. There are many others, and loads of material that you won't find in the MSM. Bill Gates and other multi-billionaires, and Big Pharma, have made squillions out of a virus which was actually one of the milder ones to crop up over the last 2,000 years.

My posts are not exactly popular reading, but I - and others - have provided alternative views, and proof, from well respected scientists and commentators in the past. Some people just don't want to know. But, I don't think you are in that category so, dig deeper is my advice to you.

Collits also says that the slow pace of the NSW election count because of worker shortages is due to the AEC's insistence that all workers have to be double vaccinated against Covid.

All this nonsense when even California, the most Leftist totalitarian state in the US, doesn't have a mandate for masks or vaccines in its HEALTH areas anymore.

Thought mhaze would be quicker off the mark regurgitating the Australian's opinion piece but he finally got around to it.

http://www-theaustralian-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/australia-recorded-relatively-more-excess-deaths-during-the-covid19-pandemic-than-sweden/news-story/0fdf8df15b4ef00f3534e6ba9626e3b2?amp

But he is in a little bit of a bind as usual as to accept some of the statistics he is going to have to accept that Covid was more lethal than he has ever conceded in the past.

What he will of course not mention is that the article quotes WHO as saying:

"After three years, Sweden has experienced 23,777 deaths from or with Covid-19, compared with Australia’s 19,477, according to the World Health Organisation."

Sweden has just 2/5ths the population of Australia.

We did a bloody good job in this country in saving Australian lives through our Covid measures, lives that people like mhaze would have gleefully sacrificed due to a twisted ideology.

SR,

I didn't quote the article because I didn't read the article (I don't subscribe to the Oz). Is that toooooo complex for you to follow.

This is gunna amaze you but lots of places around the world write on these issues. Although you limit your sources to those places that are going to tell you what you want to hear, I don't. AFAIR, I first learned of the standout Swedish excess death numbers from a post by Lomborg back in early March.

As to the deaths, I think I've explained to you several times (I thought you understood...but alas) that comparing covid deaths between jurisdictions is fraught because of the differing methods of classification. That's why comparing excess deaths is a vastly better metric because there's only one way to classify dead. Still, comparing excess deaths delivers a result you'd prefer to ignore, so I understand why you want to talk about something other than that. Standard SR there.

As to the timing of my post, I wrote it a coupla weeks back but released it to coincide with the anniversary of my original post on the questions around lockdown.

Lomborg?

Found him. It seems he is quoting from the same rightwing Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet (not that biased at all) that the Australian and the Spectator used.

Funny, but it seems it is the only outlet which put Sweden at the bottom of the list for excess deaths over that period.

However you and your ilk have jumped aboard with your normal gay abandon.

Our World Data has both Denmark and Norway below Sweden. New Zealand is well below them all with a negative figure.

http://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?time=2023-01-01&facet=none&hideControls=true&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28%25%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=DNK~SWE~NOR~FIN~AUS~NZL

The Economist commissioned their own study estimating cumulative excess deaths per 100,000 people between January 1st 2020 and February 23rd 2023. They had Denmark at 117, Norway 148, Sweden 184 and Finland at 254.

So why is Finland higher. Simple, demographics old boy. 65 years and over make up 22.26% of the Finnish population but only 20.59% in Sweden.
http://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/sweden.finland/demographics

Now how about you stop rolling out reams of unsubstantiated and unattributed posts and do your own work backing up what you are trying to claim.

Well actually SR, there are any numbers of places that look at these excess death data. While Sweden doesn't always end up at the extremities in such lists it most definitely generally ends up looking like their attitude to lockdowns was correct.

eg....

http://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1596815870676041729
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/was-sweden-right-about-covid-all-along/ar-AA18txYO

BTW, Lomborg's numbers were ultimately based on analysis from Statistics Sweden - their equivalent to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. As usual, you decree that data you don't like is delivered by people you don't like and is therefore wrong, an attitude that explains while you misunderstand so much.

Why all the concentration on Sweden. Why no concern over the largely unexplained increase in excess deaths in Australia.... http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/report-shows-australias-excess-mortality-rate-has-risen-to-levels-not-seen-since-world-war-ii/news-story/2f86a5483b9ae8363fc80082ae95ba3d

But excess deaths is just one aspect to all this issue over lockdowns and the general response to the so-called pandemic. What about the increase in adolescent self-harm and suicide attempts?...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(23)00036-6/fulltext
(You'll have to copy/paste the link because the brackets always screw up the URL)

Corrigan et al (2022).... http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35544133/

What? They didn't die therefore don't count?
What about the businesses destroyed and livelihoods upended?

Death is an important part of the issue but not the only part. But as usual you want to reduce complex subjects to one number (which you usually misunderstand) and argue piffle around that one matrix

Dear mhaze,

You write: “While Sweden doesn't always end up at the extremities in such lists it most definitely generally ends up looking like their attitude to lockdowns was correct.”

No it doesn't. They have had way more Covid deaths per capita than Australia and when matched against other Scandinavian countries and taking in to account demographics the overall excess death rate isn't anything to write home about.

And look at you. The first link was some patched up graph for some bloke on twitter, the second a link to the Telegraph, then there was this gem: “Why no concern over the largely unexplained increase in excess deaths in Australia”.

Largely unexplained? Mate it tells you in the article that well over half were caused by COVID! I know you continue to refer to it as a “so called pandemic” as you just have but it takes a determinedly ignorant person to ignore the toll it continues to take on Australian's lives.

And yes there were some downsides to the lockdowns but the positives include an internal migration which has revitalised country towns in this country and far better work life balances for millions of Australians.