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A Million Or More Refugees From Ukraine And China

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Hi AC,

You've hit the nail on the head; "I'd argue that we must stop doing things that support a continuation of the war." AS a pacifist I totally agree. One of the consequences of war is the creation of refugees, often in huge numbers, the war in Ukraine is no exception, as is the pseudo war we are having with China. Australia as a protagonist in the Ukrainian and China wars has a respectability to those refugees we help create. I was expecting our forum pro war brigade to jump on here with a; "To right Paul, we should be taking as many war refugees as possible!". Does it surprise you that the pro war brigade are all for fighting foreign wars, providing there is no impact on themselves?

I can still picture those horrible images of American transport planes taking off from Kabul with poor Afghan collaborators hanging from the outside of the plane, then dropping to their deaths like dags off a sheep's arse. Oh well said Uncle Sam, they are of no consequence to us, they've outlived their usefulness.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 5:43:23 AM
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As you know, I've always been completely, 100% in favour of massive immigration inflows. No really, I have. :)

But this time I just can't do it. You see, its all about The Environment (capitalisation deliberate). Our government and the ABC (neither of whom would ever consider uttering a lie) have told us that, in order to save the world, we have to cut total emissions by 43% by 2030 (or was it 30% by 2043??) and reach the fabled land of net-zero by 2050.

The question is, how can we do that if we keep adding new emitters? Each new emitter would create 17 tons of CO2 per year. So an extra million would create 17 million tons. That would mean people like Paul would need to cut back on their constant hot-air output by 20% just as an offset and we all know that ain't gunna happen.

Just think of the Barrier Reef which will all die off 20 years from next Tuesday week unless we get to net-zero. I literally weep tears of despair each time a new arrival comes to our shores. All I can think about is how many coral polyps are going to die (and death is forever!!) due to the emissions from each of these new arrivals.

So, as much as I'd love to take in new arrivals, we just can't do it. It's for the good of the planet, donchayaknow.

Of coarse, we could do what people like Paul etc do and just treat each problem as completely unrelated to all others. You know, like calling for more immigration and then blaming the Tories for all the extra emissions. T'was always thus.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 9:40:08 AM
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I see that AC is still calling for the aggressors in this war to be rewarded with a peace that gives them what they initially craved but can't get militarily. Rewarding aggression is, by some sort of warped thinking, the path to world peace. Go figure!!

And Paul can't break the habit of a lifetime. The USSR has been gone for 30 years, but Paul still leaps to the defence of mother Russia whenever called upon. He calls it the desire for peace but we know that all peace movements were funded by Comintern and, rather than peace, fought for easy communist victories. Peace is achieved, in this warped thinking, by constantly surrendering.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 9:45:59 AM
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mhaze,

Claiming I'm a communist once again, I feel free to claim you are a Nazi sympathiser, as demonstrated by your sycophantic devotion to Trumpism. You have supported every American war of aggression since they kicked the crap out of the Indians starting 250 years ago, I am being too kind. Should this war drag on, and Trump gets re-elected, Trump with end it with favourable terms for Putin's Russia, like renaming Ukraine, Putinland, he owes Vlad that much for getting him elected in 2016. Poor old Volo Zelenskyy should he be still around, and not been disposed of by American agents, Volo will protest; "MR TRUMP WHAT ABOUT UKRAINE AND ME!" The Donald will send him a sympathetic text message; "GET STUFFED BOZO", then cut his phone off.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 11:41:57 AM
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This'll go over your head Paul, but Trump was one of a handful of presidents who never started a war.

This'll go over your head Paul, but several US investigations have demonstrated that Putin did nothing to help Trump get elected.

This'll go over your head Paul, but, had Trump still been president, this war on the Russian Steppes would not have occurred.

This'll go over your head Paul, but, there was nothing in the Trump presidency that was the slightest bit helpful to Putin. Indeed the very opposite.

This'll go over your head Paul, but you haven't and can't find any evidence of me leaping to the defence of any Nazis or Nazi policies. In fact, since the Nazis were socialists, it would be completely out of character for me to leap to their defence. You and communism on the other hand....

(Must have been a sad day in the Paul household on Sunday...the 70th anniversary of the death of uncle Joe).
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 12:22:14 PM
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Charity begins at home…house our own homeless.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 2:23:19 PM
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