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The last days of the Russian Empire

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Seems to me you're both hell-bent on embarking on an adventure that surely leads to nuclear war with Russia or China.
I'd like to think that when it happens (because it will if you both have your way)
That you both would say to yourselves "What have we done?"
- But I'm starting to think you're both too stupid on this particular topic for that.

Instead of criticising me;

[like you think you're obliged to do Foxy, following me around with your nose in my bum for the good of all mankind, when you admittedly don't have any clue to my motivations]

How about you both realistically explain how the path you're supporting ends happily ever after and not in nuclear war?
Have either of you actually fully thought this through, and the potential repercussions?

What realistic course of events do you both see playing out that results in the end of the Russian Empire, and the CCP?
How many people ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DIE so that you can get an outcome that's acceptable to you both?
What outcome exactly do you want?

Is what you stand to gain worth what you stand to lose?
Why don't you both cut the crap and explain your reasoning?

As for the previous article shadowminister, I only read a couple of paragraphs.
- But it's good to know that you did, and were concerned enough to look.
If I've gotten something wrong, then who cares, I'll GLADLY accept it.
My humility is the absolute least of what's really at stake here.

Explain to me how your reasoning ends in happily ever after.
You want the Russian-speaking people in Donbass to go back under Ukrainian rule so that Zelensky will slaughter them all?
You want a NATO naval base in Crimea?

You want the USA to start a nuclear war with Russia and China?
Because you don't believe the people in Donbass have a right to self determination?
Because you fear that China with 5 times as many people as the US might overtake them economically and militarily?
Explain it to me.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 February 2023 12:13:32 AM
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Armchair Critic,

A couple of things.

Firstly - I don't have a "cold war hangover mentality."
What I am opposed to strongly is the "hot war" that is
currently going on which started with a tyrant invading
a sovereign nation. Which you think we should allow to
prevent a nuclear war. So give the tyrant what he wants!

This is a mentality that has not changed over the decades.
Certainly not in Russia - and not from an ambitious
ex KGB apparatchik like Putin - which apparently is
beyond your comprehension.

Putin will not win this war. He will destroy Russia.
The sooner the Russian people wake up to this fact the
better all round. We cannot allow tyrants to win in their
attempted threat of nuclear war. That is something
humanity can not afford to do. And your support and suggestion
that we allow this to happen - is truly shameful.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 5 February 2023 9:23:23 AM
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Armchair Critic,

BTW: Putin's allegations of Ukraine's committing
genocide against Russians is an example of how
genocide claims are misused for political reasons.
In this case Putin is misappropriating the term to justify
invading Ukraine.

His claims as experts have shown are baseless and
fabricated serving only to justify a military
intervention.

There's more at:

http://theconversation.com/putins-claims-that-ukraine-is-committing-genocide-are-baseless-but-not-unprecedented-177511
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 5 February 2023 9:44:47 AM
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AC,

You can go on spouting Putin's propaganda
on this forum. As far as I am concerned you have lost
all credibility.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 5 February 2023 9:52:59 AM
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AC,

Now you are just sounding delusional. Here are some Facts:

-Ukraine was never slaughtering Russians in the Donbas or anywhere else.
-Ukraine is not a Nazi regime, it has a Jewish President.
-There are as many Wagner soldiers with swastika tattoos as any of the Ukrainian soldiers.
- Russia would never be stupid enough to use Nukes as it would end very badly for them and Putin does not want to die.

Russia for years has been running a large budget surplus and building up a wealth chest. With the war in Ukraine, half the wealth fund has been frozen, and Russia is running a huge budget deficit. Its oil and gas revenues have collapsed, and Putin is dipping into the wealth fund which is not expected to last the year. The Russian car industry has nearly collapsed, and the Russian airline industry is starting to run out of spares.

The number of tanks now pledged to Ukraine incl the Leopard 1 tank is nearly 500. The first leopard 2 tanks are now arriving. The US is considering sending its old M60 tanks which while obsolete can still kill a t72. There are 1000s in storage.

The Russian situation is like the frog in a pot as the water is heated.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 5 February 2023 11:02:19 AM
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"The number of tanks now pledged to Ukraine incl the Leopard 1 tank is nearly 500. The first leopard 2 tanks are now arriving. The US is considering sending its old M60 tanks which while obsolete can still kill a t72. There are 1000s in storage."

Yeah, good luck Ukraine, they'll need it.
Russian economy has predicted growth this year by the IMF, so your sanctions failed.
The mobilised troops you said were poorly trained, are actually people with past military experience who've now had months and months of training in preparation.
Ukrainians are grabbing people off the street and at funerals and sending them to the front, men, 40, 50 and 60yo including handicapped people, - as cannon fodder while they keep their better trained troops back.
- And after this scrounged up military that has been patched together on the fly (which will be a turkey shoot without air cover, and which I might add it takes 35 months to train an existing pilot to fly an F-16) - there will be little to nothing from the west left.
Not to mention the maintenence issues of these assets and the Wests military industrial incapacity and shortage of key items such as javelin, stingers etc.

Russian forces attack across entire front; breakthrough across river at Hrekivka
http://youtu.be/xWlVXEkS_OU

http://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1621991285010694144

They're making further inroads towards Lyman and Siversk
Ukraines defenses are starting to break, and Russia hasn't even sent its other force yet.

Withdrawl from Bakhmut?
http://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1621983379099901952
http://twitter.com/War_cube_/status/1621999653041410053
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 5 February 2023 7:08:20 PM
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