More info here.
http://twitter.com/ausvstheagenda/status/1602967054960705537

Of course it’s a moral and social issue but when you jump in before a few facts are revealed and call for more gun control it’s being political.
At least one of them held a firearms licence given when he was a well respected school teacher so no system failure there, the failure came later, and apparently was not and could not be foreseen, had he driven a car into a crowd of people causing deaths this discussion would not be taking place.

Note that we seem to have our very own conspiracy theorist if that long post is any example.

Hi AC,

I had a bit of a look at your 'Twitter' feed there, a collection of nut jobs with conspiracy theories a plenty. Seems Gareth Train was a regular poster on a conservative social media platform, I wonder which one? Its also been revealed that the woman Stacey Train now married to Gareth Train had once been married to older brother Nathaniel Train. Its also been revealed that these claimed "sovereign citizens" were members of a independent evangelical church run by the brothers’ ultraconservative father, pastor Ronald A Train. Stacey Train had also worked as a as principal of a school at Proston Queensland, she resigned when vaccination was made mandatory.

Hi Paul1405,

It wasn't my twitter feed.
GF send me the video last night just after I'd written the prior comment.
(I told her to be careful looking at too much of that stuff)
I don't follow the 'Australia V's The Agenda' Twitter user profile that posted the video.
I've actually never seen anything of their content prior to last night and I haven't looked at any of their other content, which you have.

"Its also been revealed that the woman Stacey Train now married to Gareth Train had once been married to older brother Nathaniel Train."
- I didn't know this prior to watching the video last night.

"Its also been revealed that these claimed "sovereign citizens" were members of a independent evangelical church run by the brothers’ ultraconservative father, pastor Ronald A Train."
- I didn't know that until just now when I read your comment.

"Stacey Train had also worked as a as principal of a school at Proston Queensland, she resigned when vaccination was made mandatory."
- I didn't know that either, but I wouldn't necessarily hold that against anyone, those vaccines are poison, too many side effects.

FYI, I'm unvaxxed.
I'm not against inoculation, but that stuff is untested gene therapy and doesn't even prevent you from catching covid.
I've heard about plenty of people having side effects, and think I made the right choice honestly.

I did hear in that video they were using amphetamines.
This could at least partly explain some of what happened, as it lowers your inhibitions but it doesn't explain all of it.
Add the 'sovereign citizen' aspect, and it starts to draw a better picture, - inc. building tunnels, and prepping.

I still feel like there's more to the story yet though.
It still doesn't fully explain why they'd open fire on police without any provocation.
If they were cooking amphetamines for example and had a drug lab on the property (which I don't know that they were) and if some incident happened with police that we don't yet know, then the picture would seem more complete to me.

Hi Issy,

Whenever guns are used to kill people in society, its not only a crime, its also a failure of the gun control system which should prevent such occurrences. Gun laws have the sole purpose of preventing deaths from firearms, when a death does occur, as in Queensland, its a failure of the system. You tell me Nathaniel Train was a licensed gun owner, if that is the case then this is an example of the system going wrong, not meeting its requirements, if its impossible to issue gun licences and also prevent destructive failure at the same time then, for whatever reason, the system of control has failed and change becomes necessary.

As for making it political, its the likes of the far right Shooters Party and One Nation with their barely disguised advocacy for unrestricted guns in society that makes it political.

Given what Mike Burgess had said (see OP) one would think that police would have access to a data base on potential extremists and act accordingly when interaction with any of them became necessary.
Gareth Train fit the description of a radicalised nut job perfectly, particularly given his rants against police.
His belief that the CIA was controlled by the Jesuit Order was a standout, he seems to have vanished from Facebook.