In February 2022 ASIO chief Mike Burgess warned “angry and alienated Australians” could turn to violence after being exposed to “an echo chamber” of extremist messaging, misinformation and conspiracy theories during the coronavirus pandemic. He said online radicalisation was in “overdrive” and he noted a “deeply distressing” trend of children – some as young as 13 – being radicalised online and in school. Many Australians would have dismissed this as nothing more than alarmist rhetoric from Burgess, 'Capitol Riots' and such nasty stuff occurs elsewhere and not in Australia.

This week it has been revealed that German authorities have arrested 25 people, with 50 in total suspected of plotting to overthrow the democratically elected German government and replace it with their own order. Included in the bunch arrested was a a former far-right member of the Bundestag (parliament) and a descendant of German royalty. In a statement the German federal prosecutor’s office said; “The accused are united by a deep rejection of state institutions and the free democratic basic order of the Federal Republic of Germany, which over time has led to their decision to participate in their violent elimination and to engage in concrete preparatory actions for this purpose” This far right radical group only formed in November 2021, and have been moving quickly to recruit members and prepare for action.

With their failure to gain traction at the ballot box in recent years, and in light of Burgess's warning in February could far right elements in Australia be moving in the same direction as the German Reich Citizens Movement. I'm sure there is extreme right wing dissatisfaction with the newly elected Albanese government, as well as progressive Labor and Liberal state governments.

Dear Paul,

I remember the several TV programs they had on extremist right-wing
groups - on 60 Minutes and on the news a while back. And the
warnings that came with them. I thought that ASIO had things
under control then - and was going to monitor their activities.
They were a small band of activists back then. I'm sure that
as with anything - things from overseas do infiltrate our
country. Whether they grow in their influece however is another
story.

I have every faith in our security agencies and am sure that
they'll be able to handle whatever comes. Personally I think
that most Australians are far too laid back to be influenced
greatly by this sort of extremism. Football, - yes, cricket-
yes. But playing with a "hillbilly mentally?"- Nah, leave
that to the yanks.

The movement already exists in the form of the Greens Party and its sympathisers in the ALP.

Dear Paul,

Another reason I don't think that these extremist
movements will take hold in this country - is because
Aussies have a great sense of humour. People who can
laugh at themselves are not going to take themselves
too seriously.

Humour helps foster understanding and
respect ( aka Paul Hogan). And comedy can be used as
a weapon. I recently saw a Ukrainian comic doing
stand-up comedy from a bomb shelter.

Humour and comedy shows that we are all human. That there
are so many things that make us different - but also
that make us similar. Aussies are great mate! And as Hoges
has shown - no nutter or oddball can change that!

No ttbn, its not the Greens or Labor, who do taste success through the ballot box, and can democratically influence outcomes. Just the opposite, its the truculent failures of the extreme who have no political clout, but see their own failures as a wrong perpetrated on them by those who in their mind are welding unjustified power, its never anything of their own making.

You, are often critical of all those in power, claiming they are leading us to destruction, are you not? Like others here you are a conspiracy theorist when it comes to political governance in Australia.

In the 1920s there was an authoritarian current among some Australian industrialists who admired fascist Italy under Mussolini and wanted something similar for Australia. They approached Monash to sound out his interest. Monash wanted no part of it. D H Lawrence's novel, Kangaroo, is based on the incident.

The extreme left and the extreme right are very similar: like Coke and Pepsi- both fighting for the same market.

Movements attract misfits. Their desire to save the world usually corresponds with personal unhappiness.

Movements also attract misfits because they take all comers: people who can't make friends or fill in their days are relieved of these problems by remaining obedient to the cause

Dear Paul,

Why are you so concerned about violence from the fringe of the fringe when the bulk of violence comes from the establishment?

I believe in the 'horseshoe effect' in politics, where the extremes of left and right are not at opposite ends of a linear continuum, but like the shape of a horseshoe each end of the extremism approaches the other as it moves further from the moderate top centre. Put it in human terms Hitler was like Stalin and vice versa, not opposites but alike in many ways.

Hi david f,
Good to see you put up a post, yes true the rise of fascism was there in Australia during the 1920's and 30's. The Old Man would tell me how popular fascism was in Australia, as was communism at that time. The popularity of fascism is evidenced by the rise of the 'New Guard' paramilitary fascists organisation in the 1930's. At its height under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Eric Campbell (actually Campbell held the rank of Lieutenant during WWI, Cambell was an educated man) with an "army" of 50,000 volunteer soldiers the New Guard, an off shoot of the 1920's 'Old Guard' which they opposed as being too inactive and ineffective they adopted a Mussolini style agenda of direct action. Much of their stated aims would sit well with some in Australia today.

Yuyutsu,
Are you still with us or are you posting from a country that doesn’t have conscription?

Hi Yuyutsu

"Why are you so concerned about violence from the fringe of the fringe when the bulk of violence comes from the establishment?"

I am concerned about all forms of violence, see my thread on Danny Lim, establishment violence against a single human being, see my long battle with some on here about war, and government sanctioned mass murder, I oppose violence against the individual, women, minorities, children etc etc, the list goes on. Having said that I can't ignore radical extremism, and its associated violence in the form of terrorism, and its potential as outlined by ASIO chief Mike Burgess back in February. Recent developments in both America and this week in Germany tells us not to be complacent as there is a potential for the same to occur in Australia. The Cronulla riots of 2005 where dozens were injured and many within the placid community sympathised with the rioters believing they had a legitimate reason to act the way they did.

Hi Foxy,

"Personally I think that most Australians are far too laid back to be influenced greatly by this sort of extremism."

The danger is in complacency and ignorance, where the majority are not active participants but feel the extreme have some justification for their actions. The Capitol Riots in the US was undertaken by a very small group of extremist, but millions passively supported them, rationalising their action as being a legitimate cause. The Covid protest in Melbourne drew a fringe element of extremists, to quote Claire Woodley who dedicated her singing of 'I Am Australian' to "the victims of Satanic ritual abuse".

Complacency is the friend of extremism.

I think the whole thing is overstated.
Firstly 50 people are not going to overthrow a government with a population of 83 million.
Secondly, lets say they were 'plotting' to overthrow the government.
They hadn't actually done it yet had they?
- All they were doing probably, was discussing it.

And why wouldn't they discuss it?
This what happens when the government fails to put the interests of it's own people first.
- When governments care more about what their colleagues in power want then what their own citizens want.

Baerbock - "I stand with Ukraine. No matter what German voters think."
http://youtu.be/C9NiKUO99Cc

You start doing that shite to your citizens, and you're inviting a revolt.
It shows that we've reached a period where democracy is total bs, and leaders can get away with anything.

Take this coal and gas cap, I oppose it, I don't want any discount.
I see it as screwing the Australian people over three times

First our government provides support for Ukraine, prolonging the conflict.
Prolonging the needless deaths of innocent people.
How much did it cost us in military aid?
That's the first time we get screwed.

Next because our nation supported the sanctions, that means they themselves are responsible for the increases in energy prices.

- The war is one thing, the sanctions are another.
In order to punish Russia they're willing to punish their own citizens.
How much did supporting the sanctions cost Australian businesses and consumers in increased energy prices?

Thirdly, they want to keep support for Ukraine going but they want to placate the people.
So they create a coal and gas cap, which again the Australian taxpayers will have to pay for.

It's a sneaky way to placate the people so they can continue to support the things that caused the energy crisis.

So they've screwed us 3 times
1/ giving money and military aid
2/ supporting sanctions and causing increased energy costs for businesses and consumers
3/ coal and gas cap which will be government debt which we the Australian people will have to pay for in taxes.

[Cont.]
A really good discussions here worth listening to.

Putin, this might be a lengthy process. Merkel, Minsk agreement an attempt to give Ukraine time.
http://youtu.be/i__ucOhzB9Q

This is a 40 minute discussion in regards to a recent Merkel interview, but it shows that they never intended to honour the Minsk agreements.

BTW, if anything at all, this German coup detat shows that European unity is starting to fracture, there's protests and strikes everywhere, European economies are on the verge of collapse, some nations (France, Germany) are openly criticising the US for LNG 6 times the price it is in the US and for profiting from the war and for the US' Inflation Reduction Act, which is stealing European industry and moving it to the US, after the West pushed them to cut off their supply of Russian energy.
Also Hungary is blocking any further aid to Ukraine.
Victor Orban of Hungary always gets a bad rap, but he still gets elected.
And if he didn't make an energy deal with Russia he would've been voted out.
The leaders who get the most curry are the ones who don't sell their people out.

As is Germany Australia is a Federation of state governments.
If the Federal Government was seized, the states would say this is
nonsense and ignore it.
The ADF would either ignore it or fight it.

"In February 2022 ASIO chief Mike Burgess warned 'angry and alienated Australians' could turn to violence after being exposed to 'an echo chamber' of extremist messaging, misinformation and conspiracy theories during the coronavirus pandemic."

This could be written a different way

'Angry and alienated TRADITIONAL NATIONALIST CITIZENS THE WHOLE WORLD OVER' WHO OPPOSE THE GLOBALIST MULTICULTURALISM AND CLIMATE CHANGE AGENDAS THEY SEE DESTROYING THEIR NATIONS AND WAY OF LIFE AND WHICH LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN CRIME may likely turn to violence after being exposed to 'POINTS OF VIEW WE'VE TRIED SO HARD TO OUTLAW (BY LABELING AS EXTREMIST) AND CENSOR'.

There, I just turned a load of mealy mouthed waffle into something more truthful and more closely aligned with reality.

They are scared that white people may group together and oppose their globalist agendas. simple, nothing more, nothing less.

Unfortunately white nationalists are more often than not related to NAZI ideology and they give themselves a bad name.

They should form a group 'Ethical White Nationalists against NAZIS' and they might get more sympathy.
Aligning their ideology with NAZIS and they shoot their cause in both feet before the even begin.

White Nnationalists and Populist leaders who make decisions based on the best interests of their nation and citizens, (as opposed to brown-nosing lackey leaders who care more about what their international WEF-ordained globalist leaders/partners think and want against the interests of their citizens)
- are the biggest threat to following through with their globalist plans.

Village idiot,

Looking for conspiracy theories under the bed? just like the racist twit you are.

People with some exposure to conspiracy theories are probably more clued on to the ways of the world we live in today than those cluelessly drinking the kool-aid, completely ignorant of what's really going on around them.

It's healthy to be skeptical of things when searching for the truth.

What is ASIO on to you Shonky. Australia's very own Reich Citizen. Here he is ASIO come get him.

Paul,

Given that the greens are the most anti-Jewish party in Aus, I guess that you practise your goose-stepping in private.

Australians should be concerned with extremism. Take a look at the fringe political parties operating in this country. Keep in mind, federally a political party requires a minimum of 1500 members and for the states it varies from 750 in NSW, to as little as 100 in Tasmania, ACT and NT. Federally we have the known extremes on the right like, One Nation who have representation. Lesser known are other registered far right fringe parties with a nationalist bent without representation such as; Australian Federation Party, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, and the The Great Australian Party to name but three, there are other state based far right fringe parties as well. Who are the membership, who runs these parties, and what are their aims and objective is very much a mystery. There should be concern with these below the radar operated fringe parties and groups who are not required to disclose membership numbers or make any public disclosure, some of the ratbag far right parties and groups can have very innocuous names and call themselves things like a public policy organisation, which sounds all rather disarming.

Simply using the word 'Reich" shows an intend to make an issue out of an imagined situation !

"Simply using the word 'Reich" shows an intend to make an issue out of an imagined situation !"

I'm not entirely sure if any of the people involved actually supported NAZI ideology or not, though most of the people seem to oppose Islam and immigration, and seem to be conservative nationalism.

The globalists have a multicultural agenda, so they label any country or person as NAZI-like if they don't support their globalist idea of the world.

How dare Russia be for the Russians
How dare China be for the Chinese
How dare Iran be for the Iranians
How dare Venezuela be for the Venezuelans
How dare North Korea be for the North Koreans
How dare Hungary be for the Hungarians
How dare India be for the Indians.

This stands in the way of their divide and conquer strategy and global plans to control the whole world under one system.

From Wikipedia;

"Reichsbürgerbewegung ("Reich Citizens' Movement") or Reichsbürger ("Reich Citizens", the German word is the same in singular and in plural) is a label for several anticonstitutional/revisionist groups and individuals in Germany and elsewhere who reject the legitimacy of the modern German state, the Federal Republic of Germany, in favour of the German Empire."

"One typical belief is the claim that the German Reich[1] continues to exist in its pre-World War II borders, and that it is now governed by one of the Reichsbürger groups."

"Several incidents with violent members of the movement and illegal weapons depots earned the movement the attention of the media and the German authorities.[2]; The German authorities estimate that 21,000 people belong to the movement in Germany, as of July 2021."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsb%C3%BCrger_movement

The 'Reich Citizens Movement' in Germany is not my main concern, its the possibility that a parallel group could/does exist in Australia. In the recent Victorian election there were these fringe groups/parties running so called "independent" candidates. The fact they were a complete electoral failure could see these nutters turn in another direction. One fringe party that was guilty of trying to curry favour with the electorate in Victoria through "independents" was the Shooters Party, a far right nut job nationalist party.

The use of the word "Reich" in this context is deliberately designed to conjur up a meaning that isn't even there !
Only those with disharmony in mind such as the Woke compose such divisive fake news.

Perhaps the danger is from the extreme left, such as the greens mutating into a version of the red brigades.

Perhaps they will call themselves the Gangreens as they go goose stepping.

Indy, what are you going on about. The ones in the movement are calling themselves the "Reich Citizens' Movement". These are dangerous extremists, you seem to either misunderstand or are deliberately trying to deflect. Given your track record on the Forum, I think you are purposely trying to deflect blame away from these nutters.

Ah! The far right Forum extremists are coming out of the woodwork trying to deflect from their German cohort to others. Now its the Greens according to one who would be at home with these German nutters.

The operation December 7th led to the arrest of 25 people linked to the so-called "Council", an inner circle of far right extremists led by Prince Henry XIII of Reuss who aimed to subvert the constitutional order in Germany. “Compared to last year, the number of “citizens of the Reich” council has increased from 2 to 23. 10 percent of members are considered violent and last year 239 acts of violence committed by 'citizens of the Reich' were recorded,” said the German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser,.... she went on to say; "We are not dealing with harmless maniacs, but with suspected terrorists who are now all in custody"...At least 1,050 "citizens of the Reich" have had their firearms license withdrawn."

Obviously these German nut jobs would find those of the like minded here in Australia, even possibly on this Forum.

Hi Paul1405
"Ah! The far right Forum extremists are coming out of the woodwork trying to deflect from their German cohort to others."

It's a pretty crazy geopolitical world we're living in.
Medvedev has just come out and said quote:
"It is in Europe, North America, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and a whole lot of other places that pledged allegiance to the Nazi"
http://youtu.be/yDIKKoEcSmI

How's this incident in QLD with Police officers killed?
Seems like the missing school principal was shot dead by police.

Whilst not in anyway defending anyone stupid enough to shoot police officers
I have to wonder whether the full truth will be told.
- The only witnesses left alive are police.

Housemate said to me this morning, "When those two police officers were shot dead, the offenders signed their own death warrants"
- And he makes a fair point.

I wonder whether or not police would've let them live even if they had've surrendered,
(which I'm not saying that's what happened, because I don't know)
Police could've shot them in cold blood for all we know, just as their own officers were and no-one is alive to argue otherwise.

I do understand that if someone shoots police officers it's probably not going to end well for them - and anyone doing this most likely has it coming.

I'm intrigued to find out the full story of how it all went down.

Paul,

Sounds like you and your mate Bendon Tarrant.

Hi AC,

Its going to be interesting as to why these heavily armed people, I believe they had automatic weapons, opened fire on a neighbour, killing him, and on four police officers killing two of them. Its seems the neighbour was an innocent bystander having a look see, the two officers were young and inexperienced. According to the Police Commissioner, the four officers had gone to the property on a request from NSW police to check on a missing person. Were these people nutters like we are discussing here, I hope not, but there is still much to be revealed. Regardless of what motivated these crazies WE HAVE TO GET GUNS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.

Shonky, are you still in Christchurch NZ on your pilgrimage. You said on the Forum you went there, or are you going to deny that as well.

If they had automatic weapons, it’s been over a hundred years since they were banned for civilian use.
But how would anyone know yet?
Seems like Green alarmism and jumping on the bandwagon.

AC
I’ve seen some mealy mouthed posts on here but your latest effort takes the cake.

I seen one TV report that said the offenders were armed with high powered "automatic weapons", later descried as a "cache of weapons" The three alleged assailants who are accused of staging the ambush, and gunning down the police officers and their next door neighbour as they entered the property are Nathaniel Train, his brother Gareth Train and Gareth’s wife Stacey According to another media report the property’s owner Gareth Train regularly posted on an online right wing conspiracy website.

Posted by one of our very own far right forum members;

Village idiot, (referring to me)

Looking for conspiracy theories under the bed? just like the racist twit you are. (referring to me)

Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 11 December 2022 1:51:12 PM

This guy needs investigating and reporting to police! Where is the moderator on this Forum when real action needs to be taken?

Hey Is Mise,
Yes do you make a fair point.
Sometimes I do blabber on a bit more than necessary.

I heard the cops were shot first, and then executed afterwards.
If this is indeed the case, I don't think they would've surrendered.
I'd still like to know the full story, but with police shot, well never see any footage of the events I don't think, and will have to rely on whatever we're told.

4 police in 2 vehicles to follow up on a missing persons case...
Maybe they knew they were dangerous, but ever since I heard some of the details I feel like there's more to the story.

I heard they set a fire to try and burn down the bush to try and get the young female cop to reveal her location.
- It seems she was a very lucky girl.

Hi Paul,
I'm not opposed to making it more difficult for idiots to get their hands on them, but then there's always the arguments about taking guns from law abiding citizens when criminals aren't giving theirs up, and only a good person with a gun can take out a bad person with a gun etc.
And that in the US specifically, the right to bear arms is for the purposes of a militia to remove a tyrannical government.
(It's supposed to be the last 'checks and balances' on a tyrannical government - a law that existed from when the British attacked)
- It sure is a high price to pay though with so many fatalities.

I'm sure you've heard all the arguments.
But I do think that farmers with livestock etc probably do have a legitimate use for them, putting down sick animals or predators.
Ultimately, I'm kind of glad there is less guns on the streets rather than more.

I feel bad for these cops and their families, it seems all very needless.
I don't know what they were up to / trying to hide / state of mind / radicalised beliefs - to just open fire on police though.
- Which is another reason why I'd like to know the full story.

The moderator deleted the village idiot's post too.

Hi AC,

I hear what you say and agree. My ideal position is no guns for no one, the realistic position is the police should be armed as they are, with strict protocols as to the use of those weapons. There are a few private examples where it is legitimate for a private citizen to have access as well, again with strict protocols. Issy likes to give me stick over my attitude, particularly on the question of "self defence", the notion than anyone should be able to get a gun licence, and thereafter a gun for the reason of self defence, very much the American argument, and that's NSW Shooters Party policy. That cop out would give gun access to 97% of the population. I'm also concerned about the so called "recreational shooter" the weekend Rambo types. Then there is target shooters like Issy, I'm fairly okay with that, but under very strict controls.

One thing that does concern me is the number of "stolen" guns, from so called law abiding citizens, its out of all proportion. The fact is criminals use good citizens to facilitate them obtaining guns, remembering every illegal gun was at some stage legal, be it where it was manufactured, or be it the original purchaser.

I believe our gun laws are reasonably robust, but there are areas of failure, and there are those like the Shooters and Hooters party that seek to "white ant" those laws at every opportunity.

Just a small point,
“. . .remembering every illegal gun was at some stage legal, be it where it was manufactured, or be it the original purchaser. “
Not true, as we read from time to time criminals are caught manufacturing illegal guns, guns which start out as bits of scrap metal or finished pieces at a hardware store. There is plenty on the Internet on how to make sub machine gun etc.
The rapid advances in electronic firearms could soon see a whole new set of laws being implemented to no effect.

What a tragic incident for all concerned in Queensland.
I haven not heard the entire story - but either way
there must be lessons to be learned for all concerned.
I hope that an investigation will give people some
closure - and make them better prepared to avoid these
sort of hellish situations. What could have affected a
man who was a school principal - to have this change
in personality and turn to violence? Were there any
warning signs? My prayers go out for all concerned.

Foxy,
Were there any warning signs?
Yes, hundreds, the school teacher’s brother was a screaming conspiracy theorist who posted his anti police, anti Catholic, anti Masonic, anti Jesuit rants on the net for all to see, unfortunately no one seems to have taken any notice.
A simple Google brings up any amount of information on his outlook.

Thank you for that Issy, three can kill 3, or 300, or 3000, one can kill many more. As you point out what possessed a "school teacher" to join with his far right radical brother in such a misadventure. He's wasn't of German nobility was he, or a chicken farmer like Heinrich Himmler.

Hi Foxy,

You have a kind heart and a good disposition towards people, but when I started this topic it was not about the vast majority of Australians, nor a a couple of thousand loony Germans and their noble leader Prince Harry or whatever his name is. It was about what can exist when a small number become radicalised within Australia, which is where my primary concern lays. I've been attacked by the Forum right on this topic as if I was talking out of my arse, as far as they were concerned, 'it ain't possible in Australia". The sudden coincidental events of Queensland Monday, shows I was not talking out of my arse at all, but raising a genuine concern. Where are the far right posters now? Left looking very, very stupid!

Yes, ASIO and other authorities will always take down 99% of the bad guys, its not the 99% we have to worry about, its the other 1% that are of real concern.

Is Mise,

I haven't done my research on all this yet - but it certainly
appears to be horrific. It also goes to show that if the
warning signs are there we should not just ignore them
as you rightly point out.

Dear Paul,

It only takes one mentally unstable person to do damage
and cause so much harm and grief.
We definitely do need to look at solutions to this
problem. You're right. Otherwise things can only get worse.

Vigilance is the price of liberty. We must remain vigilant
because as I've said previously - the measure of our society
is our fidelity to our principles. We must remind our
government and our people to remain faithful to those
principles or otherwise our society, like so many in the
past, will be destroyed.

"We definitely do need to look at solutions to this problem."

Prevention is better than a cure.
The solution, is to stop selling the country out to foreign and global agendas.
Remove the cause for which people are becoming radicalised in the first place.
- Unfortunately for those in charge this is not an option.

It's all about multiculturalism and immigration, climate agendas, celebrating gays, manufactured or manipulated 'democracy' and bipartisan support for wars against any nation that doesn't agree.

Hi AC,

We all have our opinions and luckily for Australians
we can make our voices heard at the ballot box.
And that's what we've done and will continue to do.

AC,
I’m of the opinion that the police would have taken them alive, if possible, for intelligence purposes to see if anyone else was involved.
That the siege lasted 6 hours is indicative of this.
Why two cars?
Simple and logical explanation is that some of the police had to go somewhere else and they certainly didn’t expect trouble for one of them had less than a month’s experience, fortunately she survived.

We should always remember that our police never know what they may have to face.

there must be lessons to be learned for all concerned.
Foxy,
Unfortunately, don't hold your breath ! The system that leads to such incidents is too well-oiled by bureaudroid vote buyers.

indyvidual,

Once again I don't know what you're on about.

Its now becoming clear that the perpetrators of this crime the 'Train Gang' were right wing gun nuts, anti-vaxxers, believing in conspiracy theories, a bunch of survivalist crazies. Their intention was to kill by louring police to the property and shooting them, along with anyone else who got in their line of fire. there was no "missing person" that's was a ploy to entice the police to come to the property where the 'Train Gang' were lying in wait.

"Looking for conspiracy theories under the bed? just like the racist twit you are"

What fool posted that on this thread, I know it was Shonky! You would think the bloke would apologise for getting it so WRONG! Nah not Shonky, if he apologised for getting it wrong, he'd never stop apologising.

Issy, another clear failure of gun control in this country.

No failure of gun control at all, even the Greens and the secretive organization Gun Control Australia think and have publicly stated that primary producers need guns on rural properties.

Only ghouls would try to make political gains from this tragedy..

Hi Issy,

Its not a political issue, its a moral and social issue. I stated my position on firearms earlier, did you not read it? Every time someone is killed or injured by a firearm, I consider it a failure of the system. The reason we have gun laws is to protect society from their illegal use. To often when a tragedy occurs with firearms, the pro-gun mob simply want to deflect from discussion, claiming its inappropriate and/or insensitive at this time. What they wont admit is they can't defend the indefensible.

Do we have any kind of news release on how it all went down?
- From the time police drove onto the property to the time the first shots was fired?

- Motive ?

It's one thing to say these people were radicalised...

Lets say 1 person was radicalised and went on a rampage.

O-Kay

- But all 3 people all at once?

It says they staged an ambush (news article link below)
http://tinyurl.com/3knbnmr9
Were they expecting police to come and follow up on the missing person inquiry?
Why did two officers jump the fence to enter the property?

And they just opened fire without any cause at all ?
And then they went and executed those two police - without any specific reason?
And then went after the other one?

All 3 of them - had nothing better to do?

Even if they were 'radicalised'
I feel as though there's got to be more to it.
But I don't know what the 'more to it' is...

I watched this video below, but I don't see any areas marked off indicating where the police were killed and police vehicles have driven in there.
Is that normal?

Six dead in rural Queensland after 'targeted execution' of police officers
http://youtu.be/nKLrVEMFGoQ

This is the map view of the property.
http://www.google.com/maps/place/251+Wains+Rd,+Wieambilla+QLD+4413/

Between google maps, the photo from article and view from chopper in video you get a good look at the property from all angles.
- Including where the fire was.

Newish carports and water tanks
I saw somewhere else the house was yellow, so maybe they had been doing some renovating, new solar panels...
I see a shipping container and blue 44 gallon drums (drug production?)
The yard looks somewhat recently mowed.
Wasn't there 2 police cars went to the property?
(one officer escaped in one)
Where's the other one?

More info here.
http://twitter.com/ausvstheagenda/status/1602967054960705537

Of course it’s a moral and social issue but when you jump in before a few facts are revealed and call for more gun control it’s being political.
At least one of them held a firearms licence given when he was a well respected school teacher so no system failure there, the failure came later, and apparently was not and could not be foreseen, had he driven a car into a crowd of people causing deaths this discussion would not be taking place.

Note that we seem to have our very own conspiracy theorist if that long post is any example.

Hi AC,

I had a bit of a look at your 'Twitter' feed there, a collection of nut jobs with conspiracy theories a plenty. Seems Gareth Train was a regular poster on a conservative social media platform, I wonder which one? Its also been revealed that the woman Stacey Train now married to Gareth Train had once been married to older brother Nathaniel Train. Its also been revealed that these claimed "sovereign citizens" were members of a independent evangelical church run by the brothers’ ultraconservative father, pastor Ronald A Train. Stacey Train had also worked as a as principal of a school at Proston Queensland, she resigned when vaccination was made mandatory.

Hi Paul1405,

It wasn't my twitter feed.
GF send me the video last night just after I'd written the prior comment.
(I told her to be careful looking at too much of that stuff)
I don't follow the 'Australia V's The Agenda' Twitter user profile that posted the video.
I've actually never seen anything of their content prior to last night and I haven't looked at any of their other content, which you have.

"Its also been revealed that the woman Stacey Train now married to Gareth Train had once been married to older brother Nathaniel Train."
- I didn't know this prior to watching the video last night.

"Its also been revealed that these claimed "sovereign citizens" were members of a independent evangelical church run by the brothers’ ultraconservative father, pastor Ronald A Train."
- I didn't know that until just now when I read your comment.

"Stacey Train had also worked as a as principal of a school at Proston Queensland, she resigned when vaccination was made mandatory."
- I didn't know that either, but I wouldn't necessarily hold that against anyone, those vaccines are poison, too many side effects.

FYI, I'm unvaxxed.
I'm not against inoculation, but that stuff is untested gene therapy and doesn't even prevent you from catching covid.
I've heard about plenty of people having side effects, and think I made the right choice honestly.

I did hear in that video they were using amphetamines.
This could at least partly explain some of what happened, as it lowers your inhibitions but it doesn't explain all of it.
Add the 'sovereign citizen' aspect, and it starts to draw a better picture, - inc. building tunnels, and prepping.

I still feel like there's more to the story yet though.
It still doesn't fully explain why they'd open fire on police without any provocation.
If they were cooking amphetamines for example and had a drug lab on the property (which I don't know that they were) and if some incident happened with police that we don't yet know, then the picture would seem more complete to me.

Hi Issy,

Whenever guns are used to kill people in society, its not only a crime, its also a failure of the gun control system which should prevent such occurrences. Gun laws have the sole purpose of preventing deaths from firearms, when a death does occur, as in Queensland, its a failure of the system. You tell me Nathaniel Train was a licensed gun owner, if that is the case then this is an example of the system going wrong, not meeting its requirements, if its impossible to issue gun licences and also prevent destructive failure at the same time then, for whatever reason, the system of control has failed and change becomes necessary.

As for making it political, its the likes of the far right Shooters Party and One Nation with their barely disguised advocacy for unrestricted guns in society that makes it political.

Given what Mike Burgess had said (see OP) one would think that police would have access to a data base on potential extremists and act accordingly when interaction with any of them became necessary.
Gareth Train fit the description of a radicalised nut job perfectly, particularly given his rants against police.
His belief that the CIA was controlled by the Jesuit Order was a standout, he seems to have vanished from Facebook.

In my 12 years on this Forum, I've only considered two posters to be committed far right extremists , and a possible danger to society, they no longer post, and haven't done so for some time. Although a pair of "nut jobs", they presented as rather intelligent, and their arguments often seemed plausible, logical and well constructed. Many would have been convinced by this pairs seeming intelligence and would find themselves in agreement at times with their way out fanatical opinions, offering support with their own opinions.

Hey Is Mise,
"Note that we seem to have our very own conspiracy theorist if that long post is any example."

I don't really follow much of that kind of stuff anymore.
I still have my anti-globalism biases, but I think OLO keeps me more level-headed.

Gareth Train fit the description of a radicalised nut job perfectly, particularly given his rants against police.
His belief that the CIA was controlled by the Jesuit Order was a standout, he seems to have vanished from Facebook.

Issy have you lost another friend from 'Facebook'? Was he also a member of the SSAA? Now that would confirm his reservation at the nut house!

Hi Paul1405,
"His belief that the CIA was controlled by the Jesuit Order was a standout, he seems to have vanished from Facebook."

I remember watching an Alex Jones video years ago,
- where he interviewed someone who I think was either a member of either Jesuits, Knights of Malta or Opus Dei.
The persons name was Leo Zagami but I can't remember the content discussed, it was probably 8 yrs or more back when I saw it.

I found a video from David Icke just now as I looked some of this up, but only watched a few seconds of it, which is here.
http://youtu.be/iPv7G20FELs

As far as conspiracys go, I do remember it spoken about somewhere else that (maybe) people such as CIA might like to use Knights of Malta passports for some reason, though I can't remember all the details.

It's been too long since I watched any of this kind of content.
I can't really remember the substance of any of the discussions.

If you wanted to know the potential source of some of this info, I'd start with Alex Jones, David Icke and maybe even Leo Zagami.

If you go to Alex Jones video site below and type in 'Zagami' you'll get a few results, I just checked.
http://www.banned.video/

Here's a more recent example
(Don't shoot the messenger, I just know where to look)

Leo Zagami Explains What The Illuminati Want From War In Ukraine
http://www.infowars.com/posts/leo-zagami-explains-what-the-illuminati-want-from-war-in-ukraine/

I'd have to dig to find the specific info you're referencing, but I think if I dug for it I'd find something.
- And like I said earlier I don't really watch any of this kind of content anymore.

It seems to me that ASIO & Police have a near impossible job to detect nutters.
They can scour all the sites, including this one, and try to detect who
might warrant a closer look.
It might be a job for an AI expert or two.

Hey Bazz,
They're called fusion centres, they collect data on individuals from multiple sources and collate it all to be able to track and draw a picture of everything about a particular individual.
- Ironically, this is exactly what conspiracy theorists themselves long warned about in their fears of total surveillance.
I'm waiting for Albos announcement of a bill and funding...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center

“ Issy have you lost another friend from 'Facebook'? Was he also a member of the SSAA? Now that would confirm his reservation at the nut house!‘

The poor dears who have had their Firearms Licences cancelled never seem to be able to rise above their vindictiveness.

That's righ Issy, since I was shelling the neighbourhood with my 6" Howitzer they took my gun licence off me. They did warn me three times that you can't shell the neighbourhood with live rounds before 8 o'clock on a Sunday morning, I should have heeded the warning. Now with the Shooters and Hooters Party in power all I'm allowed is a
unlicensed bazooka, a vintage AK47, and a few dozen land mines between the Marigolds in the front yard for self-defence. So far all I've scored is a couple of Mormons and a bloke wanting to put cladding on my house.

BTW; what size is your bazooka? mines only a mini, it fires a 2kg projectile 500 yards. its a bloody toy, I can barely knock the steeple of the local church 500 yards away. Since the Shooters and Hooters have come to power with their draconian gun laws a bloke don't feel safe in his own neighbourhood. Jesus, the bastards even confiscated my little 1 megaton atomic bomb! What's the world coming to?

Gareth and Stacey Train - YouTube video
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/16/queensland-shooting-gareth-and-stacey-train-youtube-video-published-after-killing-police

I wanted a reason to understand why they would open fire on police without any provocation.

Without passing any judgement or having any opinion whatsoever on the new information;

This helps to understand their thoughts and mindset a little better
- as things lead up to what became a tragic confrontation.

Hi AC,

The police put a stop to three demented individuals whose intention was to create the maximum amount of carnage possible, killing police, civilians, anyone who got in their way. What possessed them to take this action, what was inside their deranged brains, it can only be left to experts in the human psyche to tell us what might have been their motivation.

The important and immediate question is, is there others, in Australia and elsewhere, the like minded and copycats, who could take inspiration from these "hero" of theirs.

I see the Forums radical right have gone to ground on this, a couple of posts from the 'Usual Suspects' pre shootings but deafening silence post shootings.

Comments like this;

The movement already exists in the form of the Greens Party and its sympathisers in the ALP.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 9 December 2022 8:41:44 AM

and

Village idiot,

Looking for conspiracy theories under the bed? just like the racist twit you are.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 11 December 2022 1:51:12 PM

Oh, how they must wish they had their own personal "DELETE COMMENT" button.

Well I certainly don't think they're heroes.
The whole thing is tragic and needless.

But I don't necessarily need to rely on what criminologists say.
I have enough understanding of my own by knowing a little about the kind of ideas these people entertain to largely form my own judgements.

Many of you will know the kinds of ideas I've entertained over the years, there's no point in me hiding it.
- But I've always said that 'End's justifying the means' is a terrorist mindset
And that I support ethics,
- That everybody has a right to live however they choose so long as it doesn't harm others.
Clearly this whole incident doesn't fit with my own beliefs.

Peter Dutton just came out and said dob in a conspiracy theorist.
So now we've entered the witch-hunt stage.

While I understand the public anger, I'm not sure its fair to blame one person for the actions of another.

- Ultimately, all the shooters have achieved is to help further the exact agendas they claim to oppose.
And no matter what the full story is, no-one deserves to lose their life just going to work to serve their community.

Village idiot,

My comment still stands, are there extreme right-wing and extreme left whingers in Aus certainly, only a retard would think that there is a branch of the german RCM in Aus especially when there is only a handful in Germany.

The extreme left whinge retards are call the Greens.

shadowminister,

Dutton is right you are a right wing fanatic and YOU need reporting. Your previous comments on this forum do indicate that, don't try the soft soap now. 1800 333 000.

Village idiot,

And Putin was right you are a left-whinge fanatic, liar and fraud and should be reported for racist and general fwittery.

SM,

Germany is a proper noun with a capital "G", and its "called", not "call" in the sentence; "The extreme left whinge retards are call(ed) the Greens." I though you were some kind of old boy from a stuck-up Pommy public school, its not looking good is it.

Now who is the retard?