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Swiss vote to ban minarets : Comments

By Paul Doolan, published 30/11/2009

On Sunday Swiss citizens, against all expectations, voted to ban the building of minarets that decorate mosques.

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grateful,
“The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state.
The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God's law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world....The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.”
Majid Khadduri,
War and Peace in the Law of Islam

"Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book...is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah."
Ibn Rushd Nyazee,
twelfth century Maliki jurist

"This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation" of non-Muslims.
Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee,
The Methodology of Ijtihad
Posted by HermanYutic, Sunday, 20 December 2009 9:47:46 AM
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Paul Tang, if Ali Sina says the Prophet married his daughter-in-law then Ali Sina must be a liar. Both of the Prophet’s sons died in infancy (http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/profilesmuhammed.html). Another source bites the dust!

Herman, you assert that the rulings against compulsion were contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca in a state of weakness. The following two verses were revealed in Medina and so disprove your assertion:

“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.” (Quran 3:20)

“The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” (Quran 5:99)

By the way Paul, i have also checked out Dr Sam Vankin and he has a PhD in Philosophy (NOT psychology) from distance-learning college, has been imprisoned for fraud, is NOT a mental health professional and has claimed various certifications from an institution which does not offer certifications (source is a critique by Wikipedia: http://heliologue.com/2006/07/03/sam-vaknins-self-love/). In other words, another perfect source of information for Islamophobes .

Why not try reason and allow a proper debate/dialogue to ensue regarding the merits and demerits of each on particular compelling social/spiritual/personal issues based on serious scholarly sources and genuine teachings. Then people can decide for themselves and go their own way.

“Say: O you who reject Faith!
I worship not that which worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I will not worship that which you have been wont to worship,
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.” (Qur’an, Surah 109)
Posted by grateful, Sunday, 20 December 2009 12:11:56 PM
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grateful,

<if Ali Sina says the Prophet married his daughter-in-law then Ali Sina must be a liar.>

You are either what you accuse Ali Sina of, or you are not very well informed.

Mohammed had an adopted son, Zayd bin Haarithah.
Zayd was married to Zaynab bint Jahsh.
Zaynab bint Jahsh was reportedly very beautiful.
One day Mohammed happened upon Zaynab bint Jahsh disrobed.
He desired her.
Zayd offered to divorce her so Mohammed could have her.
Mohammed declined.
Allah sent a revelation to Mohammed that he should marry Zaynab.
Zayd divorced Zaynab.
Mohammed married his former daughter-in-law Zaynab bint Jahsh.
Islamic law has prohibited adoption ever since.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/07/blogging-the-quran-sura-33-the-confederates-verses-21-73.html
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/96464/adoption
(Koran 33:37)

Furthermore
< Herman, you assert that the rulings against compulsion were contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca in a state of weakness. The following two verses were revealed in Medina and so disprove your assertion:>

I did not say they were contingent on the Muslims being in Mecca.
I pointed out that after the despotic warlord achieved power in Medina he became increasingly bellicose.

“slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush, [at every] route that they use. But if they repent, of unbelief, and establish prayer and pay the alms, then leave their way free, and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving, Merciful, to those who repent.”
Koran 9:5
http://www.quran.com/9

grateful,
Are you wilfully blind or are you playing us for suckers?
Posted by HermanYutic, Sunday, 20 December 2009 2:06:07 PM
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It doesn't quite work like that, stevenlmeyer.

>>Pericles, From the tenor of your post time stamped Friday, 18 December 2009 10:51:33 AM I thought you were advocating censorship of "dangerous words". I was mistaken and I apologise. My favourite charity is the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Feel free to donate as much as you like.<<

The idea was that I will donate if you succeed in finding evidence that I advocate censorship.

Given that you cannot, and have admitted that you were wrong to accuse me of doing so, might I suggest that you make the $100 donation yourself?

It would seem an entirely appropriate penance.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 20 December 2009 4:04:19 PM
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LOL Pericles,

I was kidding you.

Anyway I give them about that amount every month
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 20 December 2009 4:12:21 PM
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In India a Muslim girl was raped by her father-in-law (he follows after the great prophet). The Muslim religious body ruled that she is to become the wife of her father-in-law and her (former) husband to be considered her son

“In June a father-in-law raped Imrana, a Muslim woman, in Muzzafarnagar, Uttar Pradesh. After the incident, local community and religious leaders ruled that she must separate from her husband and move in with the father-in law who had raped her. They also determined that she should consider her former husband as her son, because she was now married to his father.

The All India Muslim Personal Law Board, responsible for overseeing Muslim family law issues, refused to overturn this decision. Numerous women's organizations protested, but Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mulayam Singh Yadav supported the edict, claiming that the Muslim religious leaders ruling must have been deeply considered.

In July police arrested the father-in-law and charged him with rape. He remained in judicial custody at year's end.”
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61707.htm

Read more stories of how Muslim men rape their daughter-in-laws.
http://islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=283:raping-daughters-in-law-following-holy-tradition-of-the-prophet&catid=73:brahmachari&Itemid=58

How Muhammad seduced his daughter-in-law and send his son Zayd to his death
http://islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127:zaynab-beast-zaynab-divine-marriage-to-muhammad-zayd-loss&catid=68:mumin&Itemid=5
Posted by Philip Tang, Sunday, 20 December 2009 4:31:28 PM
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