Herman and Paul, Shaitan has certainly got you guys by the “short an’ curlies”.

You believe the Qur’an is not revelation but the word of the Prophet. So according to you, the Prophet has revealed to everyone that he lusted for Zaynab and when Zayd offered to divorce her so that the Prophet could marry her, the Prophet declined in order to conceal his feeling. Then the Prophet reveals all, exposing himself, pretending it is Divine revelation. Your own interpretation is logically incoherent. You neo-fascists are mad-hatters!

For an interpretation that is coherent and based strictly on one of the foremost imams of Islam (that which Spencer and yourselves do not dare to consult) I can refer you to sunnipath.com: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4017&CATE=108

Zaynab was the Prophet’s cousin and he had been seeing her since her birth. It was the norm for women not to veil themselves from him and the Prophet himself had been the one to arrange the marriage between his adopted son Zayd and cousin. So just about every time the Prophet met with her, Zaynab would have been without veil.

Zayd and Zaynab were not getting along. When Zayd had complained about her, the Prophet instructed him to return to his wife. However, prior to this Allah had sent Gibril with the message that the Prophet would marry her and this is what the Qur’aan refers to as being concealed by the Prophet. In saying “..you were concealing in yourself what Allah should reveal, fearing other men”, the ayat also refers to the Prophet’s concern that his enemies would use the event to stir up trouble.

So Paul and Herman, you lose and are lost. It is Shaitan who is smart, not his minions. I have the Qur’an, the Prophet and a community with no reason to fear an impartial and thorough examination of the evidence. You have your cartoons, lies, hatred and craving for evil... a punishment from Allah!

I’m off to catch a plane. It’s been fun, but I must move on.

Praise be to Allah for the clear voice of reason of his grateful follower.

Hi grateful, I am Philip and not Paul. You're indeed confused.

Happy holidays.

More transference, Philip Tang.

>>It is unfortunate that Pericles and a few in OLO think that the opposite of Islam is Christianity<<

I think no such thing. To me, they are practically indistinguishable.

They both worship the same "god".

They are each belligerent towards the other.

They both harbour factions (Sunni/Shia, Catholic/Protestant) who dislike each other intensely.

They both appear quite happy, both within themselves and each other, to use their particular beliefs as justification to belt the crap out of those who don't share their views.

So no, I don't in any way consider the two to be opposites.

From the evidence of this thread, they certainly approach the topic differently, of course.

I see it as a spectrum of discourse that has vulgarity and coarseness at one end, and politeness and respect at the other.

Pericles,
Yes it is regrettable that our resident Islamophile had to descend to vulgarity and coarseness to try to make his point but at least he didn't threaten to behead the "lying, hateful, evil-craving minions of Shaitan", as he would be fully entitled to under Islamic law.
For this we should be grateful.

Firstly, Pericles arrogated to himself the role to police OLO.

Pericles wrote “Every time you take up your pen to provide us with your own warped view of someone else's deeply held beliefs, you are bringing someone's murder one step closer.”

Now, what makes Pericles say this? He reckoned that the Islamists may get upset, run amok and kill someone. He is saying to HY and PT to stop telling the truth about the ideology of Islam. He is hoping that the HY and PT will practice self-censorship but this did not happen. Pericles the Christian basher has forgotten that the harshest critics of Islam are ex-Muslims and atheists (e,g. the great Pat Condell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA “Appeasing Islam”)

Pericles is the typical ISLAMOPHOBE because he fears the way the Islamists would react under criticism. The Islamists have got him under their feet.

Next, HY and PT are blamed (“…conducted by your lot”) for what happened in Srebrenica which was essentially a politically motivated mass killing. It shows Pericles’ deep-seated hatred of Christianity.

So are the world’s 2 to 3 billion Christians “guilty” by association?

“…Catholic/Protestant) who dislike each other intensely”,

an error seeing as
(i) Christians are one in Christ and
(ii) differences have been put aside. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6494599.stm