Will we ever get sick of apologizing to Muslims ?

Will they ever get sick of railing against us ?

If their God and our God were fair dinkum why do we need a Children's Hospital ?

Why are they , the Muslims the most offensive debaters ?

How does "Hate" a vexation to the spirit of humanity fit in a religious agenda ?

A recent ABC TV program showed small Boys at a school chanting , nodding their heads Koran in hand , is this brain washing ?
If it is could it cause Psychopathy , could explain a lot of issues ?

In warfare under the Geneva Convention is Hate Propagation and Brain washing allowed ?

Why is Oz such an attractive destination for migrants from "The Promised Land" are they fulfilling some doctrination requiring them to convert us or out breed us ?

Perhaps we could pay for an Islamic version of "How To Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie , in addition we could require future migrants to squat and chant it for three months ; this could be a great anti Semtex strategy "Islamic Bomb Proofing".

god, what a charming thread. (suze, thanks).

glorfindel, you claim you didn't attack cicek. he can be the judge of that. but i did read your first post. and, if you are truly interested in interfaith dialogue, i have a suggestion: perhaps don't open with "allah is a dalek".

Nice try kactuz

If Cicek responds it will be along the lines of "You are taking a few aya out of context. To fully grasp the meaning of the koran you need to be an Arabic speaker versed in 'Ijtihad'". Etc, etc.

When cornered Muslims almost never admit to the plain meaning of the words in the text. Unless of course it is to their advantage to do so as in the famous "no compulsion in religion" aya. Then they suddenly become literal minded and take offence when others point out context.

For the benefit of the usual OLO bien-pensant, yes other religions rely on the same sleight of hand when embarrassed by their "holy" texts.

katieO,

Interesting post. Thanks.

On the whole I am encouraged that few on OLO seem inclined to swallow Cicek's line.

Speaking of religious fanatics, has anyone read the stories about the security company formerly known as Blackwater, now known as Xe?

Its employees killed in cold blood, in one incident on 16 September 2007, 17 Iraqi civilians.

The Australian republished a Times article on 6 August:

"In one of the statements, John Doe 2, who worked for Blackwater for four years, alleged that Mr Prince (the founder of Blackwater) 'views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe' and that his companies 'encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life.'" (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25890728-2703,00.html)

The usual bunk - this version, support Muslims who are trying to teach Islam and all will be well.
Then continues to perpetrate the lie that Islam means peace, and is a religion of peace. So some facts.
Arabic is a consonental language - the vowels were added later to the written form. SLM are the three consonents that are used to form the word Islam. The same consonents are used to form the Arabic word Salam, which IS one of the Arabic words for 'peace'. Islam, on the other hand, means 'submission'. This is very clear from any reading of the Koran or any other Arabic text which contains both words.
If any reader is unfamiliar with the difference between submission and peace, then I submit that they are ineligible to have any serious discussion in English.
Secondly, Islam is primarily a political system, and one that claims a theological justification, much as the medieval Kings and Queens of Europe used to before they had it beaten out of them. The evidence for this interpretation of Islam is easy to find - read the official, Muslim histories of the early period of their community. While you're there, you'll find the portrait of the Prophet that Muslims construct is as a thief, murderer, rapist and peodophile. Just the sort one would like to have instigate a 'religion'.
No amount of teaching of Islam is going to turn young, vulnerable people away from violence - the teaching of tolerance and secular government is the only thing that will do that, and neither are to be found in the Koran or the Hadith.

Mr Kactuz I can see from your explainations that you have dedicated your life to condemning Islam and I understand that you will never change but stop tricking people with your posts and be honest.

Mr Cicek's quote about the Koranic verse is as follows: "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land." (Koran, 32:5) and here is another verse: "You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice......"(Koran, 17:33). ('Justice' meaning the judicial system of the nation you are living in).

I came accross another posting which states, "All Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims". How stupit can a person be? Oklohoma City Bombing (Timoty Mc Veigh), I guess he was a Muslim too. On October 8, 1990, 22 Palestinians were killed and over 100 others injured by Scores of Israeli right wing extremists who stormed the Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. (I wonder if they were also Muslims in disguise). I can give you many more examples of acts of terror which were committed by non-muslims. However, as I said before, playing blame games will not get us anywhere. Instead of adding fuel to the fire, we should be looking into solutions. It is about time people like Kactuz decide wheter they want to be part of the solution or the problem. I would like to congratulate some other posters who have been quite erudite about the whole issue.