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Not in the name of our Islam ... : Comments

By Orhan Cicek, published 7/8/2009

Dark forces are using some ignorant and vulnerable Muslims for their own ends by brainwashing them with propaganda.

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The three Middle East religions all stress that innocents shouldn't be killed, and that's the issue, you can always convince yourself that the people you are killing are not innocent.

I'd say ultimately this is a problem for Islamic culture, the sooner Islam embraces democracy like the Jew and Christians eventually did the quicker these things will start to sort themselves out. The reality is the major trouble spots in the world today are mostly in Islamic countries, so at some point Muslims need to look inward to find the answers. Its not always these evil westerns fault.
Posted by Kenny, Friday, 7 August 2009 10:07:32 AM
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I was taken aback to see the expression "anarchist movements such as the Marxist-Leninist left" in the article.

Anarchism is the political philosophy that humans can create a decent society without a government imposing any coercion upon them. Marxism-Leninism espouses the dictator of the proletariat. When Lenin took power after the Bolshevik coup one of the first groups to be eliminated was the anarchists. Read "Homage to Catalonia" for Orwell's account of the elimination of the Spanish anarchists by the Marxist-Leninists. Marxism-Leninism is at the other of the political scale from anarchism. Marxist-Leninists support dictatorships. Anarchists support freedom.
Posted by david f, Friday, 7 August 2009 10:15:25 AM
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In Truth, and demonstrated throughout their HIS-stories, both Islam and Christianity have as their ultimate goal, that of total world domination!

How/why?

Because they both pretend, and act on the premise of, that they alone possess the "one true" way/faith/revelation which is binding on all human beings. And that they have "god's" mandate to convert everyone else to the one true way. Either via the words of Muhammad. Or the command or great commission of fairy-tale "jesus" to go into all the nations blah blah

Implying or meaning that they are engaged in a divinely mandated "holy" war against ALL other faith traditions and their various cultural expressions. Which are self-evidently living in darkness because they havent accepted the "truth" of fairy-tale "jesus" or the "prophet" yet.

And that they WILL use whatever means they can to achieve this aim of world domination.

There are just as many nut-case Christians as there are Moslems---especially in the USA.

Have you read the news? Or read your HIS-story books?
Posted by Ho Hum, Friday, 7 August 2009 11:13:59 AM
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Ho Hum,
It seems to me there are far more extremists in Islam than other religions. And what is evident, by the number of attrosities carried out, there are more than just a few.

If the followers of Islam really believe that the extremists are giving Islam a bad name then it is up to them to do something about it.

Not only to condemn the attacks but by publicly letting their congregations and others know who the extremist teachers are. Like that bloke Feiz that was preaching at liverpool. Or is it fact that most Islamists quietly support one extreme sect or another.

In Iraq, for example, main stream muslims have been blowing each other up since the fall of Saddam. Many of our bloke have died trying to keep the factions apart. I also understand that in Somarlia the situation is the waring factions of muslims. It appears that muslims only know one way of resolving differences.

So how about exposing those that indocrinated the young men now charged.

It is not enough for, so called, moderates to blame our society.

It is their religion and is up to them to try to restore the name of Islam to what they want.

Frankly, 'the religion of peace' doesn't sorta sound right
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 7 August 2009 1:05:45 PM
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I would agree with Banjo that "the religion of peace" does not really match observed results. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I would attach the same skepticism to representative announcements from any group, be they government, police force, religion etc. A recent example was the farcical statement from NSW police with regards to violence against Indian students, it was an almost Python-esque "There's nothing to see here, move along". The general public is entitled to be skeptical when the mouth is saying one thing and the body is doing another.

With regards to using the analogies to the medical profession/malpractice and police/corruption, these groups can legitimately avoid a "tarring with the same brush" because they have internal or external compliance bodies that come down very hard on bad eggs in their ranks to demonstrate the body's commitment to ethical practice. These systems appear to be missing from Islam (and religion in general. I agree with a previous poster, there are plenty of Christian/Jew/<insert religion here> peanuts as well, they just does appear to be so intent on disrupting society at the moment).

To repeat a statement I heard recently (I cannot remember the source) "Why is it that these groups are able to come out with a screaming unified voice when their group is feeling discriminated against, but then are completely silent when one of their own is a perpetrator and offer the excuse, "because we are not one homogeneous group that can be represented by a single voice".

If you want people to believe you when you make a sweeping statement of "peace" you have to be able to ensure that the people you claim to represent are peaceful, and if they are not, sanction them.
Posted by RexMundi, Friday, 7 August 2009 3:25:27 PM
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What our moderate moslems neet to teach to their young activists is the story of Bosnia.

It was not other moslems, or the UN that finally went to the aid of the moslems there. They would be still waiting, or all dead if UN help was required.

No, it was NATO. Europe, & the yanks, & it was the yanks that made it happen.

After 9/11 would they still do it? It's hard to know, but moslems will get more justice from the US, & NATO, than they will find in the middle east, or other parts of the world.

If the yanks, russians, chinese & europe can now be getting so close to rubbing along together, surely it's time for the muslems to come out of the dark ages, too.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 7 August 2009 3:25:48 PM
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