david f - no problems, mate. Your Tang-ent was a mere fillip :)

I'll have to leave you with this lot, I'm afraid. I really couldn't be bothered wasting any more time with these hateful idiots. Like I said before, they don't want Australian Muslims to integrate into mainstream society - and they intend to make it as hard as possible for that to happen.

They're entitled to be bigots and to express that hatred, but we don't have to give them any more oxygen.

One of the greatest ally of Hitler was the Mufti of Jerusalem. It is not surprising that when totalitarian, genocidal organizations get together they find many things in common, Islam and Nazism. They are good friends.

“In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLRTe-lZMB0

It is unfortunate that some Jews don’t even know their own history and are taken in by Islamists’ revision of history (lies).

The leadership within the Catholic Church did not oppose Hitler but there were many German Christians who fought the Nazis e.g. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a German Lutheran pastor and theologian. He was also a participant in the German Resistance movement against Nazism, a founding member of the Confessing Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

It is only when Christianity has been hijacked by politicians e.g. during the times when the Roman Catholic Church was at her most powerful (Dark ages or Early middle ages) , that she has lost sight of her mission of helping the poor and oppressed.

CJMorgan

Your last finishing post laden with abuse inimitably exposes your bitter nature, weak character, and lack of gray matter.

Vergil's Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito, will never apply to you.

Philip Tang wrote:

It is unfortunate that some Jews don’t even know their own history and are taken in by Islamists’ revision of history (lies).

It is only when Christianity has been hijacked by politicians e.g. during the times when the Roman Catholic Church was at her most powerful (Dark ages or Early middle ages) , that she has lost sight of her mission of helping the poor and oppressed.
Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:05:17 PM

Dear Philip,

When Christian Spain expelled the Jews they found refuge in the Islamic world as they did many times when they escaped massacres by Christians.

Bonhoeffer and others who resisted the Nazis were noble souls. However, most of the Christian churches went along with the Nazis. I think it is you who are ignorant of history.

Islamic universities during the Christian Dark Ages were open to Christians, Jews, Buddhists whatever. Christian universities were open only to Christians. The record of tolerance of islam far surpasses the Christian record. Currently Islam is largely in their own Dark Ages, but historically Christianity has been far more intolerant. "The Closing of the Western Mind" by Freeman tells how the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire brought in the Dark Ages. Constantine’s Sword by James Carroll, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001, tells how the adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire changed Christianity to a religion of war and Jew hatred. Then followed a period of great violence as Christianity imposed its religion on most of Europe. With the exception of Ireland this was effected by bloodshed. eg. Charlemagne gave the pagan Gauls the choice between beheading and Christianity. Richard Fletcher wrote "The Conversion of Europe from Paganism to Christianity: 371-1386" describing that bloody process.

Calvin burned heretics at the stake. Luther was a violent antisemite. Protestantism was no great shakes. It has been as intolerant and violent as Catholicism. In the Wars of the Reformation both shed each other's blood.

The history of Christianity is far bloodier than Islamic history.

"they don't want Australian Muslims to integrate into mainstream society"

No, CJ, we want them to integrate. That means accepting values that are understood to be part of mainstream western civilization. I am talking about freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom, equality, and separation of church and state. Your idea is to leave them in their bigotry and not say anything that may upset them, and you call this "integration." You give up your right to freedom so they will smile at you and leave you alone - for a while.

I have a right to criticize any church, political party, or whatever. That includes Islam. I will not give up this right so you and Ahmed and Ali can sing kumbayah and be happy. You have a right to criticize me and my views. I can take it. I am not afraid of criticism because this old man defends the same standards for everybody and I don't make excuses for murder, hate, discrimination and other evils. I try not to do them and I abhor those who do and or who refuse to be honest about these things. In this context, that is a fancy way of saying "muslim".

Tell me once again where are all these "moderate" Muslims in Islamic societies? Do you have any idea of the discrimination (and violence) they practice against non-Muslims? Do you know how many have apostasy laws? Now tell me why I should think they are any different from people like Cicek?

Islam and western values do not mix. Pick a side.

Signing off, old bloodyminded hater kactuz

PS: Thank you, Steven, for the support

I think it is such good fun looking at comments from people comparing who were the most murdering oppressive religions.
What a hoot it is all just the silly thoughts of weak people!
Compare the latest religions from the crooked and murdering Joseph Smith (Mormons) or Ron L Hubbard (Scientology).
In the 1960's I worked for a shipping Co and we imported the E meters for the Scientology business. The whole place seemed to be staffed by nubile young women. What was going on there?
I have to say religion is either sex or money just like most things and you people have got to have a real, long, hard, Australian look at yourselves.