Gday eyeinthesky, the nearest stat i can give you is American and a little dated but includes all cases of assault both sexual and physical against women of all ages including so called under reporting. This was arrived at by checking all medical records from hospital emergency wards and GPs, then dividing into the female population base. Wait for it, not 2/3s as the women's groups claim but .01% or 1 in 1000.

Nobody wants to see any female being hurt,even if they deserve it, but the facts are always out of alignment whenever a feminist is speaking. Furthermore domestic violence and child abuse are getting worse as a direct result of giving them what they asked for years ago.

Fractelle etc, i changed my profile from having children, to having none as an experiment to see if it would increase my positive response rate to kisses and emails. Hey presto it did, seems women think a man with children is likely to be financially crippled by the CSA and they are looking for another wallet rather than a man. The female age thing is simply out of date as i haven't used RSVP for a while, i normally go for women between 4 & 20 years younger than myself as i would like to have more children 1 day and women age on average 10 years faster than men do.

Besides dears i am one of the nice guys who would prefer to believe that the male chauvinist pigs were not correct all along. There is an increasing number of men at the right wing end of the men's movement who think Baxter detention centre could be reopened as a rehabilitation resource for feminists who could be taught useful life skills like sewing, cooking, knitting, adequate parenting skills and how to pleasure men.

Formersnag

Thanks for the generosity of your response to my cheeky post. While I do disagree with the women ageing faster than men statement, I take on board all that you have said by way of explanation, maybe you have learned to apply some wisdom on selection of women friends.

On your last paragraph, have you been spying on A-septic? I am sure he'd love to see me incarcerated in a back to the 50's how-to-be-submissive re-education camp. Poor man, he appears to have made even worse choices in women than you.

Well, some of us can learn and I have even though it did take a long time, so don't expect an email from me as I believe you may have some more of life's lessons still to learn. One of which I will supply right now, women are human beings who just happened to be born female - men and women are much more alike than different.

BOBTWAT.
I think we will leave the dispensing of verbal diarrhea to you since you are so adept at it.If you have sufficient intelligence perhaps you will be able to look up the statistics i pointed out in my previous post, and NO you won't get them from Mr KELLOGG. [not blonde are you] ?. I am a member of several mens groups, i am NOT an abuser and i DID get my own way.
I fought to rescue my daughter from her abusing and neglecting mother for 3 years, the reason it took so long being the anti father bias in the system, something you would no doubt approve of as it protects abusing and neglecting mothers and forces children to live with them. When i got custody of my daughter she was underweight and in bad health, she was unable to do even basic tasks like wash herself, she was unable to do even basic maths not even her times tables, she was unable to read or write even basic words, she did the year 3 basic skills test, finished bottom in the school and was placed in a special class for SLOW children,she was 8 yo. This was the broken child i was given courtesy of her mother and the FLS. In the end her mother was given supervised access every second sunday [ bet that really breaks your heart].
After doing the year 7 basic skills test and being on the point of entering high school i received a letter that she was on a list for another special class, this time it was a class for GIFTED AND TALENTED children, she is currently doing an honours degree in psychology at university and consistently achieving distinctions and high distinctions for her work. This is what a FATHER can do for his child although i suppose YOU would have preferred that she stay with her abusive mother. I would venture to suggest that you will have a hard time convincing HER that she would have been better off with her mother.

eyeinthesky, thanks for telling some of your's and your daughters story. I've been wondering what drives Bobtwat and Chaz's badly misinformed views of mens groups.

Most of the men I dealt with were there because they wanted a chance to be fathers not just providers (as summarised by Chaz's intepretation of a father who relocated to try and be near his children as "sought to avoid his financial responsibilities for his children"). They were there because of disgust with a system which treated the mothers convenience and wants as vital but showed the most callous disregard for fathers needs and lives (considering 3000km round trip's where a father did not get to spend time with children as "mildly inconvenienced").

Those kind of attitudes were unfortunately not uncommon in the family law industry, C$A etc.

There are extremists, there are those who seek to use the system to avoid responsibility or for personal gain. They exist regardless as both mothers and fathers.

Some could learn from a borrowed and modified version of Fractelle's lesson "men are human beings who just happened to be born male - men and women are much more alike than different".

I've been trying to work out if there is an appropriate response to Bobtwat's words http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9151#146366 . I struggle to understand what has happened to someone to cause them to lash out like that. I doubt that anything you or I say will change that level of hate.

As one who was part of a mens group at a time when I really needed the support and who cares deeply for his child (and who has also seen a massive turn around in that childs life for the better) it's deeply hurtfull to read such hatfilled comments directed at all involved in men's groups. I hope one day Bobtwat opens his or her eye's enough to see just how wrong those words are and finds a way to take them back.

R0bert

funnily enough i can see to a certain extent where bobtwat is coming from. I have recently become engaged to a lovely gal, she endured 19 years of an abusive [ not violent] marriage, although they had their differences they were able to work things out as regards the best interests of the children. One daughter is currently doing her PHD, the other daughter has married a fantastic bloke and has just presented her with her first grandchild, her son who lives with her father by nmutual aggreement has a whole pile of 'high academic achievement ceretificates' all done with no family court lawyers getting fat. Its just a pity that parents can't just sit down together with no animosity and work out what is in the best interests of the children without any sexual connotations instead of having to wage war as i had to do.

gday eyeinthesky,robert & other gentlemen, the radical, lesbian, feminazi, paedophiles of whom you speak have several sad, sick sources, including severe mental illness, extreme left wing politics, sadest of all their propaganda has been around and taught in universities for 40 years now. Imagine being being one of the few females who was abused by a dysfunctional man then going to university and doing women's studies where an equally sick woman teaches you more of this bile then gives you a degree in social work.

These women are there, they are queer, they want your wives and daughters. They have infiltrated all key areas of our government, media and society. A couple of weeks ago the Sunday Mail ran an article about disturbing stats on a large increase in middle class mothers using cocaine at home, which the female journalist turned into a joke. If the survey had been about more fathers using drugs there would have been an almighty rant about deadbeat dads taking the food out of their children's mouths.