"How does one differentiate between moderate and radical feminists?"

As I said, if the moderates won't speak up in opposition to the radicals, there is only one kind. I'm glad to see you agree with me that the radicals are now the only game in town and that the moderates are at best gutless in not challenging the pronouncements of those radicals.

"It's not surprising that more women are responsible for neglect since about 75% of child care is undertaken by women. "

Over 90% of serious neglect of children is found to be perpetrated by their mothers, especially where the biological father is absent. The best way to reduce child neglect is to have the biological father involved.

"Of deaths of children, women are more likely to be responsible for the deaths of children under one year and men responsible for the deaths of older children. Again, women do most of the child rearing."

And again, that must change if children are to be properly protected. The best protection a child can have is his/her father - the mother is much more likely to cause them harm.

"The greatest amount of killing of children by men is in the context of relationship breakdown, in spite and revenge - often making good on threats that brought about the relationship breakdown in the first place."

And the greatest amount of deliberate killing of children by their mothers is in the same context, often later claiming some form of mental breakdown and trying to blame the father for being "violent", regardless of any substantiation. IOW, a very good reason to minimise the conflict around separation and divorce. A good start would be the disbanding of social ills like the Qld Women's Legal Aid, which actively promotes such conflict.

"Is it preferable that women and children just shut the hell up and let men beat, rape and kill them? If feminists in the 1970s hadn't raised opposition to family violence, who would have?"

We don't live in the 1970s. Should fathers just shut up and let mothers beat, neglect and kill their children?

Pynchme, 1, Take note Robert & C J Morgan, there are no moderate feminists & never were. Moderate women are not into feminazism. They knew that they always had equality even before they got the right to vote. Henry Makow Phd studied the history of modern post war feminazism tracing it back to socialist & communist women who had fled Nazi Germany for New York. In the 50's & 60's these bitter, twisted, frustrated women now also in their 50's & 60's post menopausal, sick. Reacted to the cold war/McCarthy, etc with a new way to destroy the capitalist pigs, by renaming them male chauvinist pigs. A new propaganda was born to divide & conquer by destroying the family unit of western democracy.

2, And these women are failing miserably at parenting as a direct result of Feminazi/left wing policy over the last 40 years or do you want to deny that child abuse/DV have been worsening recently. Both parents working and single mothers is your idea, not mine, nor any chauvinist's either.

3, Who cares what age these poor children are when they are murdered? The latest confirmed stats show that biological fathers are responsible for 25% of child deaths, mothers 75%. More twisting of truth and psychobabble to try and rationalise the daily abuse of children by deadbeat single mothers.

4, Men in those and most DV circumstances are usually suffering from "Battered Partner Syndrome" after years of DV from her. Feminazi's define DV as including verbal, emotional, financial, abuse, throw in intensive psychological torture or head #$%* mind games on a hard working man as well and you have a bomb waiting to go off.

5, Everybody of both genders always stood up and tried to stop it. Read a dictionary, the words gentleman & chivalry have been around for thousands of years as has the "fairy tale" Cinderella about a women being saved from female DV by a man.

6, If you specialise in counseling men who have been abused by men then that is all you will see?

1/a, the other common type of feminazi was abused as a child/woman by a man, never received appropriate treatment, went to university did a subject called "women's studies" (fractelle i thought half world population were women with same needs as men? are you seriously suggesting we should have "men's studies" or that women have special needs?) after being further infected with years of feminazi propaganda (on top of a severe dose of untreated "borderline personality disorder") these women then go out into the world with degrees in social talk, law, counseling, criminology, journalism, etc, looking for opportunities to get their revenge on men, change the world, etc, and if children are collateral damage, then so be it. "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette"

6/a, What red blooded teenage boy is going to complain about getting his rocks off, just because he was under age and the woman was over age? Go out into the normal, healthy, heterosexual male population and you will find plenty of well adjusted functional men whose lives were not ruined by their earlier sexual experiences with older women. Does that make it right when a boy becomes teachers pet, if he is not ruined by it?

6/b, How about lesbians & bisexual women working in DV refuges where they have access to vulnerable women & girls? How about if they are also madams who could be recruiting staff? How about a brothel receptionist being a girl guide leader?

7, Taking my words again, its not men who are the enemy of moderate women, its Feminazis traumatising all females with scary stories about all men being barstards. Governments & Big Business all over the world have been fawning after feminiazism because it keeps the sheeple under control plus with women working/controlling both incomes they are wasting more money on unnecessary luxury items for their children, thereby abusing them with over indulgence and keeping "hardly normal" rich.

8, Read 7, Feminazism has been successfully worsening those power structures of yours for 40 years and you still don't get it, more new age psychobabble.

Formersnag: << They knew that they always had equality even before they got the right to vote. >>

Enough said, methinks.

CJ

<< They knew that they always had equality even before they got the right to vote. >>

Champagne comedy. Hilarious.

Formersnag, I feel sorry for you, you have no idea at all, do you? I will try to be kinder to you in future.

Pynchme,

1.
Radical feminists don't shave or wax their body hair. They also talk with a more shrieking tone in their voice. Hey have you heard about the Constitutional Feminist? See link below...

http://blogs.news.com.au/jackmarxlive/index.php/news/comments/the_constitutional_feminist/

4.
Definately. Spite and Revenge. Women who hurt children on the other hand are in need of help/sympathy, as women are more naturally maternal and will always put the kids first. But not more naturally maternal if it's used as a reason women may be better suited to certain jobs.

5. Sadly, Nobody.

8.'...that do harm to women and children (both male and female).'

Well that's honest at least. No mention of harm to men. That's their lookout I suppose. Fair enough too. But the amount of times I've heard *fem*inists say *fem*inism is about equality I've lost count.

I'm interested though, at what age does feminism decide that the poor helpless male child, merely a victim of the powerful, has now turned into the powerful abusive man that doesn't deserve any help? You'know like how prostitutes are assumed victims of abuse, but all their clients have had rosy childhoods.

9.
I like this. It always confuses me how lefties pick and choose which groups should have to do this. Muslims anyone? Should all Muslims have to stand up and distance themselves from Terrorism?

Formersnag,

'these women are failing miserably at parenting'
How are the fathers doing BTW?

I take it you were a former snag? I can see where the bitterness comes from then. SNAG was never meant to be taken seriously man. I mean, Sensitive New Age Guy! Men throughout the ages have always been sensitive, and 'New Age' was a fad to make misfit space cadet Tarot readers feel 'cool' for a short time.

Maybe you're one of the many weak wimpy men who thought this SNAG faze would mean being a shy needy timid little flower with no self esteem, desperate to please and appease women in any way would have their day in the sun. Bzzz, Wrong! Women are smarter than that and nobody likes a doormat.