Snag: <"I do condemn the behaviour of dysfunctional men, but feminazism has been making that problem worse, not better.">

1. How has feminism made the problem worse? (Do you really mean - feminism has uncovered the problem that existed/exists?)

2. How do you propose to stop "dysfunctional men" from doing harm to women and childre

Pynchme, Feminism never uncovered a problem, that was being ignored, their have always been some, dysfunctional families, breeding some, dysfunctional people, of both genders, along with entire cultures, living by a code, we would consider barbaric . Words like gentleman and chivalry, however, have also been around for thousands of years. Strip away the "fairy floss" and "Cinderella" is a simple tale of domestic violence, where an innocent girl is neglected/abused by her wicked step mother and the "mean girls". (remember that movie?)

1, feminism has encouraged women to be, even more confrontational, in their relationships, than, they, always have been. Read some Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, all of which predates feminism or even suffragette's. Feminism has brought about a DV industry which trains women to respond, with even more, head, #$%*, mind games. While simultaneously promoting, ineffective, anger management classes for violent men, who, really, need it, and nonviolent men, falsely accused.

2, offer a tax cut to active, or concerned, "good citizens", for doing their bit, voting, jury duty, not smoking, clean up oz day, etc, coming forward to police, "witnessing", when somebody of either gender is being assaulted, so that violent offenders can be charged properly in a real court with real crimes, instead of these silly DVO/AVO's that make it all worse, and have been miss used, by child abusers, to cover their tracks.

Fractelle, "methinks the pot, calls the kettle black" (BTW isn't that one of those "old wives tales").

My first experience of OLO, was this, very, article, a few weeks ago, "as you said", RObert, and, some others, were being polite, fair, reasonable, no labelling, name calling, and then your colleagues commented without specifying minority, radical, extremists, like i do, but "all men, fathers, groups, being abusers rights, apologists" etc.

Snag,

I am quite a fan of both Oscar Wilde and of Shakespeare; though not all feminists would be. Their works reflect much of the social reality of their time, even though they were rebels in some sense (especially Wilde, of course), they also showed the constraints of the social roles that existed.

Snag: <"Feminism has brought about a DV industry ...">

Feminists didn't tell men to hit women and children or how to terrorize them into fearful obedience to male will. Certain types of men created the DV "industry".

Feminism exposed it and finally made it possible for abused women and children to escape impossible situations - not that they have always managed to successfully escape the enraged male in their life.

You accuse women of playing mind games - and some do. However, you think that just because a bloke uses his brute strength, that he doesn't use mind games as well?

I'm sorry but I can't grasp what you're trying to say about AVOs, so can't comment on that.

What's your opinion about DV and child sexual abuse - How would you keep women and children safe - how do you think you could prevent a fellow from beating his wife or sexually assaulting his son or daughter if you came to know that it was happening?

You might call the authorities (as you propose in your post) - but what proof do you think would convince you and how would you keep the woman or children safe while it was being worked out?

How do you propose right now to stop other men from doing harm?

Pynchme, i have already answered your questions, but will try again.

Femanazism, did, tell, dysfunctional, men to hit women/children, by encouraging women to, react, to, men, in a provocative manner, that is guaranteed, to escalate the violence, rather than cool it down.

In your first sentence you acknowledged that Shakespeare exposed DV, so femanazism could not have exposed anything, if it already existed and was common knowledge for thousands of years. BTW the very, "constraints of, those social roles" encouraged marriage, to be more successful, than, it is now, therefore, keeping child abuse to a minimum. Whereas, femanazism was designed to destroy good or healthy relations, between men and women, by spreading mistrust and hatred, with fairy stories, about, "ALL", men, being liars, bastards, etc. As a direct result, of femanazism, relationships regularly fail, in larger numbers, leaving more children, open to, more, abuse, which, is now in, pandemic proportions, compered to the 50's.

Some, men, use mind games, i met one, (in men's group, and we made sure, he knew, that we, disapproved, and he, needed therapy) he was a stone, cold, socio psychopath, (as a result, of having been abused, as a child, by women) but these type of men are less than 5% of the male population. Whereas the number of neurotic women using head, #$%*, mind, games is more than 90% of all women in all relationships.

An AVO/DVO, will never stop a mentally ill, violent person, of either gender, from hurting people, but successful convictions, for real crimes, in real courts, will put violent offenders in jail. I do realise, that you don't, actually, want this to happen, as we would get too many violent, crazy, women in jail, and the "sista's in the hood" are primarily concerned, with protecting, the rights, of deadbeat, single mothers, to neglect/abuse their children, and blame shifting games.

Nobody wants, to see women or children, being hurt, even if on occasions, they may, deserve it, but you need to remember, that innocent children and men, being neglected/abused is an infinitely bigger problem.

What do you, propose, doing about that?

Shorter formersnag: "No, I don't have any evidence for my outrageous claims whatsoever. I'll just have another lunatic rant anyway".

BTW - I don't get the impression SJF hates me, or anybody else for that matter. Where did you get that idea?

<< Another metro-sexual, male, apologist. >>

Hardly. I'm a bloke who lives in the bush and who's pretty happy in life, unlike you.

So Snag your solution to DV is that women submit to threats and abuse. What you fail to realize is that most women who are abused do anything *but aggravate the man who terrorizes them - they spend their lives walking on eggshells and still end up getting flattened any time the bloke is enraged by whatever else is happening in his life.

No person "deserves" assault. No excuses.

Btw - Shakespeare - The shrew was still to be tamed wasn't she.
Portia was smarter than Shylock and the male lawyers, but she had to pretend to be male - as a woman she had to hide her cleverness.

No literary form exposed DV - they showed it as acceptable and normal. Feminist analysis provided an alternative vision of women as people with the same right to self-expression as male citizens.

As for calling CJ a metereosexual something or other; he is a male who is clearly unafraid of women. You could take a lesson.

I have never seen any female poster refer to CJ derogatorily, as you claim. Do you have a link?