i cant really arue with most of what your saying[opinionated]...except the..[only]..two moptions/you offer[quote..<<Either GOD is a mass murderer OR the accounts are wrong!>>>.i think..we are i agreement that/god is incapable of mass murder...

but im equally sure of the reported accounts...having a basis for truth...thus i feel the story tellers..decieved themselves..[or were decieved by demons]..the quaran actually reveals the imputs of the jinnns in part...though fully attributed to the arch angel

what i would dispute..is that god..did..everything that is accorded to him..in the wholy texts...the true god is unlikely to need an arc of any covenant..to communicate to mankind..[for egsample]..from personal experience our inner voice commune direct...live time all the time..[to the highest good..[as well as the lowest/least of mans vile

to try to explain it more precicely...our mind communes direct to the angels in heaven..[and/or the lowest demons in hell]...that if our want is hurtfull..[or selfish,..our very mind/set.. sets up the very attraction..to one or the other..according as we are searching for..[along the lines of more shall be given]

i would give a simple explanation,..that when we are in love everything SEEMS perfect..[that when we are down bad thoughts run wild...

i note that drunk..[and or stoned]..people become susseptable to negative mindsets..[by virtue of their inhibitions falling away..[attracts those after-being spirits,..being..attracted to that very self same mindset...we are synching up with.

our negative thought/energies..are like food for demons..[or rather those spirits of like negative/addictive..mindset..[we actually draw/think them to us,..with negative thought..they naturally come to feed off them..[bringing us down/even more..[like our mind tuning in to hell...

[or visa versa re positive vibes/prayer/song/dance...attuining us into heaven]

how i feel is..our negative mind,..syncques up..to the lower thoughts in hell,..just as our positive loving mind sincqes up into the heavens..either inspiring or depressing us..

..according to the mindset were setting entrain...its partly why i love your precice/pointed questions...they force me to ask...but by focusing on positivity/love

OUG I'm certain that we agree that a loving God would not commit mass murder.

I also appreciate that you are willing to discuss these topics with an open mind. It is wonderful that you read the passages that I select and whilst you may disagree with me, from time to time, to still assess them unbiasedly.

I don't blame people for being indoctrinated. The Churches have mastered the skill of manipulating the minds of young people from a very early age and selling the warm fuzzy Jesus.

What we are taught so vividly when young is difficult to question when we get older. It is even more difficult to question when people don't know their Bible and rely on some selective interpretations.

That is why in other threads I have asked...What do people's churches teach about the passover? If the Churches teach the passover as correct then they are undermining their loving God.

If it wasn't for Jesus (in the minds of young kids) we wouldn't get Easter Eggs or Christmas presents.

And yet from these traditions the concept of kindness to our fellow man are at least brought into the open for our considerations.

People who blindly accept the Bible as fact, even though it presents the God they call loving and caring as a monster, worry me.

They undermine their GOD and are too stubborn to even realise it. I guess that is the proof of the power of indoctrination!

I don't believe in the Bible God and yet I accept that we're spiritual beings.

Spirituality (in a non-religious sense) brings out the best in all of us. It means we are kind, caring, empathetic and compassionate. Religions whilst claiming to be the same actually use threats of God's vengeance and eternal hell and damnation as their motivator.

Furthermore religions all believe they OWN GOD! A spiritual person shares their experiences in a much more loving and caring way. No threats - just simple honest explanation.

Christians have divided Jesus' (their alleged son of God's) ministry into over 22,000 subgroups - so much for Jesus' teachings!

o2..again with the agreement/thing...re pass-over,..that i strongly feel has become perverted...here we have..jesus being born..again...proving there is /..a life after death...and the best churches can teach is..christ died for OUR SINS...that by him dying.. foir us...lol..he became the scapecoat..to make us pure/sinfree...lol

completly missed/..is that forgiving comes with a precondition...staying pure...what the use..to be made pure every sunday...then to go out and sin on monday...

jesus taught about this..re the casting out of demons..[being of little use...because the will to sin/demon..only comes back..ever stronger..[or as jesus said it..for 7 demons to return..to a cleaned body/house]

here i feel..the churches/..get things wrong..[grace is a new start..[that no matter how vile..we may have been...via christ..we can get a clean slate...but if we dirty the slate..[ie dont clean up our acts,..how may times..must we turn the other cheek..[to the same hand..slapping us in the face]

jesus died..specificly before the passover...a time many died..to prove to us all we die..and all/get born-again...but we allready covered that...so i will go to satan-claws..clause..[xmass time]...the day jesus was born into the flesh..

[as opposed to the day..he was reborn../born-again..into the spirit...its..celibrated at the wrong time...it should be synched up to the proper day..[whichever day..it really is,..the timming of it needs to be clear..to reveal the full context

it pains me..that christs house..is as divided as his fathers house was divided..in jesus earthly days..he didnt come to found any religion..[that was pauls idea..who fleshed out some of the contexts...and mixed back in a lot of the error..jesu came here to get rid of...

its sad that christs house..is divided...but its even more sad watching..otherwise good xtian souls..screaming like demons at children..for demons to leave/be cast out..or to see xtians casting stones,..calling that sinfull..that is no more than human error

but jesus came and soon realised..they were missing his live teachings...like when he says..its not yet my time...or ye unbelieving generation needing miracles...

why are people so blind..they strain for gnats yet swallow cammels...but none of us is perfect...to ere is human..[to forgive is de vine]

In reality, it is not so much in the risks, collectively, that we fail to take but more, it is the distrust that has become a constituent part of our political and economic logic and modeling. Fear and aggressiveness dominate our behaviour, not trust, kindred feeling or even the simpatico for which we look – this, however, is merely the logic of our state.

The Tällberg Foundation tells us in its ‘A Provocation’ that a “blink of an eye in history” has given humankind the thought there were no limits, or boundaries as to what rationality and reason could produce: this was the myth of progress. That the power of human logic would be the dominating force of the universe has proved the most foolhardy escapade into arrogance and ignorance. The disappointing conclusion is that we have taken our civilization to the brink of the abyss. “The idea that linear hierarchical, sequential, cause and effect logics, reductionism and fragmentation and the blessing of competition would foster a perpetuum mobile of material growth, have all proven to be wrong. We are at the end of this road” – T.F.

Those who merely relegate the ‘religious’ to the purely irrational, are shown to be, ultimately, and a little ironically, as insensible. Almost six decades ago Albert Schweitzer believed our will to live is naturally parasitic and antagonistic towards the life surrounding us. He prophetically challenged, “Man has lost the capacity to foresee and to forestall. He will end by destroying the earth.” Christianity, at its earliest inception, longed for the destruction of the current world and a new one to replace it – with the saints governing it. Buried deep within its psyche, each new generation (of Christianity) hoped to be the one to see the world destroyed (not transformed) with a better one to replace it, it’s a risky proposition - if believed and acted upon.