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Are we safe? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 29/6/2009

The danger with attempting to over-manage risk is that it becomes the main game and distracts us from the life at hand.

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my reaction is against the..[any]..book..being the word of god...books are only needed to know mortal-beings/things/opinions...god the eternal,lives in real time..[for all the time]..those seeking to make oppresive/disciminatory/hurtfull/laws,..or capture the living god into a dead book..[in dead words..know the living/loving eternal not in the least]

seeking his..[gods]..opinion is relitivly simple...if the answer to a question is good/loving of grace and mercy..[its from god]..if its hurtfull/injurious..its not/from god...if nothing else..jesus revealed/a personal living loving god..[who lives/interacts with all of us..in real time]..for all time...

not..the/god of yesterday..[nor..the god/of tomorrow...but the living god/right here/right now...living..every second within us/all..sustaining us/all..to live..[good]

re-god/loving satan...look at it this way..if he hated[satan]..satan would be gone..simply..by god saying/..begone...but know/that evil has no power over innocence...its only..by us thinking evil..[that allows evil/..things to happen]

think of it like this..if/when we think..'love',..we are surrounded by angels..[light]...but if we think..'dark thoughts'..the light gets driven away...allowing..the dark forces/to surround us..[but the smallest good..[light]..dispells the darkness...drives it away...

i hear you say;..but what of..innocents abused..[think that the darkness condems/itself]..that the living-spirit they abuse..[sustaining that life..is god'spirit...they abuse supreem innocence...

the innocent/soul is kept safe...its only the material corpus abused...the innocent is totally protected..[till it despoils..[or choses to..despoil..its own innocence..or not/..

by thinking vengence or duplicating..[replicating the darkness]...the smallest vile thought..drives/..the light/away..[yet the smallest good..attracts the light..and can drive..the darkness/away

the so called deadly sins..[greed/sloth/envey/jealosy/hate/fear...etc attract..that certain darkness..to it..they feed on our negetative/energies...just as we feed off the good energies...i have tried to explain/some of it..at this forum..[till i got banned]
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/index.php

i would narrow it down/further..but am sure no-one really..is listening

realise that before god[theos]..there was nothing but darkness..[god is the light/life/love/logic/logus...without god..is the darkness...god didnt..'make'..hell..[thats his natural theos/form[like our form is our body...but then we/mind/body/soul..[like god/theos/logos]..are much more than our body..[mind feelings etc]...those who reject the light/love..only can escape/the light..by going into the bowels..of the god head/theos..[so to speak]

it gets complicated..to explain...but there are some links/clues tips to be found in swedenbergs writings..[heaven and hell]..arcania celestia..also
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/gonewest.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/wsltoc.html
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 July 2009 10:23:47 PM
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i realise i havnt replied your questions..o2]...mosus wrote the so-called ten laws/command-meants...basiclly about having nothing before god..[this includes any of his many messengers]...

but the laws are about interacting..with living/god..eg..[the adultery one..has become a physical/bodilly interpritation..[the object of the law..when read in context..reads not to/adulterate.gods laws..[yet people needed more..thus we got..the mosaic/laws]

jesus tried to/bring..back/the basics...revealing the many others..not to be..gods laws...but mens laws...thus we see him..'healing'..those cast out/because of blemishes etc...your healed go to your priest...but im digressing away yet again

<<God doesn't..intervene/in the holocaust,../intervene in Rwanda>>..god holds/freewill..supreem[..an imortal regards..'death'..as a nothing]...remember we are all cast down..[to this realm..[there are/..no innocents..here..[think of this as outcast's/prisoners/..life term etc...we asked for total/freewill..[and got it]

<<Why doesn't he intervene..?>>yeah right..the left hand/prays;..god kill the/right hand..[the right prays;..kill the left..[god dont do the killing thing]..how is the saying..[carefull for what you ask?]you just might get it...god dont do anything..we can/could do..ourselves

<<This Earth is not hellish/..but it is very tough for many.>>many of us incarnated..JUST TO HELP..[but got so involved/with this life illusions..we cant..even..help ourselves]

<<Why..the third world still suffers?>>..science evolution is a deception..[but spiritual evolution is the reality...beasts need a few evolutions..to become human...every hardship has its teaching..[spiritually speaking...we are all needed..to tell the whole story

we are/..all..'gods people'...we let ourselves down..[and our god]..we asked..[begged]..to be let down..to help..this realm...but get caught up/..like the many..who came before us..[if we only recalled our birth-reason,..many would be doing..what they planned to do...one less to help..[one more helping..[one more explaining...one more loving]

dont sweat on it..too much...there is little/..even the worst can do..on this prison planet...every good we do has weight...as jesus said...what the use casting out one demon...only for him to return with 6 extra..to a clean house...till we seek to do better..[really yearn to do better...no one can force us/..to do better

its funny how evils..PASSION to sin..seems greater than/goods PASSION..to do good...good is more than accusing...its deliberatly forgiving../others..as we would like to be forgiven/..ourselves..

[we all get equal wages..[grace]..in the end...to be forgiven..is as easy as/..forgiving others...till we figure that out..[all the..accusing/blame/casting out of demons...lol..wont do a thing]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 July 2009 11:10:40 PM
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Shadow

I dont think Sells is advocating 'recklessness' or the abandonment of work place safety measures.

His point is about the relationship between sensible management of risk and engaging with the world in which we live. His question is more like this.
Consider a typical saturday afternoon where you have the option of staying at home or driving across town to see a movie. Compared to driving across town, staying at home is a safer choice (though not without some risk). Driving across town involves risk to you and to others on the road with whom you might collide. Should you stay at home because that is the safer option or do you decide that driving across town is a managable risk and choose in favour of the movie?

A better analogy still, perhaps, is the business of falling in love. What are the risks? But then what is lost by choosing the safe option?

Of course, we all know that life involves taking many risks and that there really are no totally safe options and Sells, of course, is making a point about faith and the nature of the Church. There is a persistent misconception that choosing faith is a retreat into safety. This error is encouraged by many evangelical churches who thoroughly deserve the contempt being heaped upon them by others in this discussion.

Jesus' fate is testament to the fact that faith is a high risk venture with very high stakes. It is not an easy solution to all your problems. Indeed it will probably only add to your problems which begs the question, "WHY?".
Posted by waterboy, Saturday, 4 July 2009 4:55:24 PM
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Runner,

So you will continue to PRETEND to represent God daily...Amazing admission really.

I guess most people here realise you misrepresent God anyway!

The fact that you continue to hold true that the Bible illustrates God killing innocent men, women and children is exactly that...blasphemy.

I quote exact passes from the Bible...yet they are supposedly out of context. Do you understand context Runner?

God hardened Pharoah's heart... the Bible (your book) is explicit. He being God knew what the outcome would be...so he is guilty of mass murder if that event happened OR those are the words of God.

Exodus 12:29 "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle."

Tell me how that is taken out of context?

Moses (the mass murderer, who committed genecide and ethnic cleansing in NUMBERS 31:13-19) will accuse us - as Jesus allegedly says John 5:45-47....Moses...is the very one that will accuse you..."

Again how is that taken out of context? Or this?

Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I(LORD) will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

The "out of context argument" used by religious people is absurd. It is the one refuge for the underinformed who know the Bible undermines their argument totally!

Are you feeling a little silly at this stage?

Where is the loving God that people tell me about in these instances?

But worse...ARE WE SAFE?.... to rely on religious institutions who would preach such rubbish as TRUTH when it is an obviously fabricated and impossible story.

Teaching myth as truth about God must be a sin in the eyes of your God.

Is your GOD really this unintelligent?
Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 4 July 2009 9:26:54 PM
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two points..the biggest is about this thing called reserection day..[jesus main teaching was that when we die we are all reborn again..[so much so that he appeared..[after death]..to prove it...it seems too easilly missed that..EVEN a thief on a cross...was assured he would..[this DAY]..BE REBORN IN HEAVEN

anyhow my other concern..is that people think to judge god/good..[or bad]...first aspect is..how dare we judge god..[but the other point is..even a beast knows its masters voice..[there is no evil in god,..god is all good

know that That all evils/..originate in mankind and are to be shunned.

That good actions are of God..and from God,..and are therefore necessary for life..and should be done...that we know of a surity we are doing his will.

That these good acts..are to be done by a person..as if from him/herself;..but that it ought to be acknowledged..that they are done from the god...with..him/her..yet by him/her...to be closer to god[good].

Swedenborg writes extensively about the process of spiritual growth, which he called..“regeneration.”..He says that:

“All who are being reformed..and regenerated..are gifted with charity and faith..but..there are evils and falsities with which one has[had] from infancy,..which stand in the way

these evils and falsities must be vastated/before one can be regenerated;..for until corporeal things,..become quiescent(such as the things of the love of self and of the world),..celestial and spiritual things,..which are of the affection of good and truth,from god..cannot flow in …”[AC 2967,2]

In other words:the process of spiritual growth..involves an emptying out of our selfish ego states..in order to reach the depth of the Divine/good/grace/mercy/love/logic...

we react against God..as a result of our[human]evil..However,..to the extent that we believe that our life comes from God..and that everything good..comes from an act of God..then..[we can become one with the Divine]#68

When..“one acknowledges that evil is evil,..and good is good/god,..and thinks that the good ought to be chosen,..he is in what is called the state of reformation,..but when his will leads him to shun evil and do good,..the state of regeneration begins.”
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 4 July 2009 10:51:10 PM
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Bloody hell. I actually agree with almost half of an article by Sells.
Even Runner has managed to come up with a cogent, consistent argument:
God doesn't have to be ethical, moral or good, because he's God!
It's a worry.
Posted by Grim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 12:28:08 PM
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