Curiously, it is only those who have an axe to grind with women who have the temerity to speak out, who apparently aren't offended by Roscop's unwarranted interrogation of Nina.

Other posters (male and female) had no problem recognising the harassment being perpetuated by Roscop. Just the same very few.

Yes, no doubt Graham does think I was difficult for being persistent, (which says more about Graham than me) - this is why people cannot remain silent when someone is clearly being persecuted and why victims of abuse still have to fight to be heard.

A-septic

Your claim "Me (on 18/5):"I have the greatest of sympathy for those of either gender who have been genuinely raped," holds zero credibility, as you do not appear to understand how Nina was upset by the photographs of her nor by the demands she display them - she tried to explain her feelings in several posts to you. And you still don't get it.

If you can't understand how someone can feel after being assaulted, how can you understand how someone feels if raped? You have yet to display any empathy for victims at all. Your quote above has nothing to support it - empty words, mere platitudes.

'Curiously, it is only those who have an axe to grind with women who have the temerity to speak out, who apparently aren't offended by Roscop's unwarranted interrogation of Nina.'

Fractelle, does ths mean I haven't been lumped into your generic 'axe to grind with women who have the temerity to speak out' group on this occasion:-( Or have you still not read any of my posts, so I get to keep my woman hating status. Or... have you not read back because you cant bear to exclude me from the boys club? I mean, you're the judge on these things. I even argued with antispetic y'know! Must be because he was nice to a woman once...

Houellebecq: Oh puhleeze forget the old 'women are emotional and therefore their reasoning is illogical; while we big manly men are so logical - see how objective we can be about others' suffering.' ploy. It's old.

What's more, the completely unfounded nonsense that most of the men here post (unchallenged by any of the other supposedly logical males) makes the claim to superior logic an embarrassment to your sex.

Compassion is not the antithesis of logic.

Speaking of illogical - Roscop - what does the SAFE Act and U.S. figurs have to do with anything that's been posted? Anyway, looking at those figures it's clear that you either missed the posts explaining recorded rapes and how population stats are derived from anonymous surveys. The figures you show actually confirm the case that's being made. That you don't know or can't see that is why I recommend that you read more widely than your woman hate sites.

Speaking of which - James - wouldn't it be nice if you really were a critical thinker. I think you try to be; but your biases are such that you can't tear yourself away from Angry Harry and the like. You eagerly swallow evey crumb of anti-female sentiment they serve up as if it's fact. It's a shame because you could find a feminist position so refreshing and comforting (if only you understood it; which you so far don't.)

As to your women get men hanged info: Here is another way of looking at the issue - please note that female slaves and children were lynched as well.

http://amath.colorado.edu/carnegie/lit/lynch/women.htm

(See how that article has references that we can check.)

Antiseptic: "I have the greatest of sympathy for those of either gender who have been genuinely raped..."

- your qualifier "genuinely" makes your claim a sad joke.

Ginx and Houellebecq: Look I apologize Houellebecq but I laughed to tears this morning when I read "Hollowbeak"; then had a few giggles during the day recalling it. Ginx you're a scream. Thanks for that:)

pynch

James:

Lynching was an ugly practice. So many stories of men and women who were lynched are horrific, but that of Mary Turner, her spouse and unborn child, killed for no reason in 1918, is especially so. She was hung upside down; doused and set alight and her womb slashed so that the baby fell out live. The baby was crushed under a fellow's boot. Mr. Turner was hung after a false accusation; Mary was killed later because she voiced her objections.

If the book link doesn't post properly: the book is Women and the Death Penalty in the United States, 1900-1998 by Kathleen A. O'Shea

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=YvdKyEJo0osC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=amy+spain+lynched&source=bl&ots=X1Y60zRhbx&sig=U5Be4GHuQJMxa97E2ehio3cfx_o&hl=en&ei=IsUSSpG2GqjmtgPshKH0DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA8,M1

Fractelle:"If you can't understand how someone can feel after being assaulted"

Part of a conversation I had with Ninaf on 13/6):

"ninaf: "It is a highly personal and traumatising experience and there has to be a level of respect for the victims already violated sense of privacy"

[me:] Oh, certainly."

I'd advise you to go back and read the thread lest you make a fool of yourself, but alas, I fear 'tis too late. At least no one's expectations have had to be revised.

pynchme:"your qualifier "genuinely" makes your claim a sad joke."

Oh, of course, I have to feel sympathy for the ones who aren't genuine as well. Got to keep that perpetual-emotion machine cranking, there are victims to be made!

pynchme:"I laughed to tears this morning when I read "Hollowbeak""

Seriously? They let you out on your own, do they?

A-septic

Your posts never quite indicate the empathy you claim to have for female victims, of assault or rape. You even tried to argue that male rape victims have a more difficult time of rape than females. Deliberately ignoring the fact that rape often results in vaginal tearing and that females can and are raped in every available orifice just as males victims may be. It is this manner of trivialising the female experience that puts the lie into your claims of sympathy.

I am also waiting for a response from you, Hoolie, JamesH regarding the sickening posts from Roscop asking for more and more detail about Nina's assault.

None of you appear to see anything offensive with his demands and judgements of Nina, which are both very personal and beyond a reasoned discussion about assault. If you did find his posts extreme I have yet to see anything from any of you.

Other posters, male and female, have been very clear about what they think of Roscop, but not you.

As this thread has gone on for over 30 pages now with plenty of opportunity to state otherwise, I am left with no other conclusion that you approve of Roscop and therefore share his warped view of women.