I agree with you completely Josgar but the thing that is never discussed is the role that feminism has played in all this.

The sexualising of society has been done under the auspices of 'a women's right to express her sexuality', yet when these young girls see sex all around them and decide to 'express' themselves, they get charged with disseminating child pornography.

Feminists have long camaigned for the 'right' of women to do what they want, whenever they want, however they want. This has resulted in a culture where women are not expected to take responsibility for their actions.

Take the case a few years ago where a women took Bulldog's players to court for what appeared to be a horrendous case of pack rape. The media were all over it accusing the players of being nothing more than beasts who took advantage of a helpless woman. Yet later the facts came out that she willingly accompanied them to their hotel room and had a history of participating in group sex. In the past, people would have expected her to take responsibiliuty for her actions. They would have simply said, the actions of the players may have been bad, but any heartache you caused yourself is your own fault. Afterall, when you are alone and accompany a group of men back to their hotel room at 3am and they know you have a history of group sex, what do you expect? What did you accompany them there for: a bible session?

It seems women can never be help responsible for their own actions. I'm sure in the case of these teenage girls, the blame will be layed squarely at the feet of the boys. The girls were pressured, blah, blah, bla. The boys will probably receive a hasher punishment than the girls.

dane
The sexualisation of children is different to the sexual nature of a grown adult women and has nothing to do with feminism.

I would look more to the media, corporate irresponsibility in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and easy access to information through advancements in technology first before pointing the finger at feminism.

If feminism made women less ashamed and fearful of sex isn't that a good thing. That is not the same thing as turning all women into nymphomaniacs otherwise all men would be, given they have always had more sexual freedoms. People's sexuality is their own business.

As far as the pack rape scenario goes, even if the women had consented to participate in group sex in the past, this does not mean that she wanted to participate with a group of drunken unethical football thugs or wanted to be raped.

Do women go around raping men just because they have slept with more than one person at a time?

Going back to their room might be considered silly given the repuation of some football clubs, but rape is a strong punishment for the folly of foolishness.

Go Pelican. I think it is deeply problematic to assert that women need to take responsibility for the actions of their rapists.

To claim that a woman is 'asking for trouble' based on what she was (or wasn't) wearing, or based on her previous sexual history, is to deflect attention and responsibility away from perpetrators. Consent is always negotiated on an individual basis and just because consent with one person (or multiple people) has been given, it does not mean that a woman becomes 'fair game' for others. Nor for that matter is a drunken woman 'fair game'. Nor a woman wearing a short skirt. Yet, Dane's comments seem to suggest that rape is the fault of women, and even more laughable, the gains of feminism.

Most problematic of all is that this line of thinking seems to be born out of the same sort of logic found in extremist, fundamentalist sects who demand that women cover up and censor their sexuality to avoid being raped.

Moreover, its worth noting that rape does not occur due to uncontrollable sexual lust. Numerous studies with convicted rapists have shown that perps select their victims on three criteria;
1)access to the victim
2) perceptions of the victims vulnerability
3) the belief that a rape can be carried out without being interrupted by a witness and that it is unlikely that a victim will report.

Note that there is nothing in there about how about how attractive a victim is or what she was wearing. IN fact if rape was about sexual desire and lust, we would have to ban all men from Bondi Beach. In fact we'd just have to ban men from summer full stop. But most men chose not to rape- and of those who do, it is a calculated decision that they alone need to take responsibility for.

The victim-blaming that is still so endemic in these arguments is proof that feminism still has a long way to go- what is needed is not more feminist bashing but more feminist based education. Dane in particular might benefit from this.

Is ‘sexting’ really about sex? More than any other area of human behaviour sex is the place where people act out unfulfilled emotional needs. There is nothing sexually satisfying about sending a picture of your naked body to someone else – it may well give you some other kind of thrill though. You may feel powerful because you have done something ‘naughty’ and gone against the mores of society or your parents. The real question for someone who does that is “why don’t you feel powerful?” or “in what areas do you feel powerless?”

It may make you feel popular amongst your ‘friends’ to join in that kind of behaviour. The real issue is why do you need to feel popular? What is lacking in your ego and sense of self that makes you do things that are irrational or just plain stupid in order to be liked by your peers.

It is not enough to say that because young people do these things as experimentation it is therefore in their best interests. Young people are no different to older people – we all have the same emotional needs. Indulging in irrational or even harmful behaviour is never the answer to those needs. Binge drinking, dangerous driving and irresponsible sexual behaviour are not just ‘phases’ that they are going through but are very often a cry for help in dealing with emotional dysfunction. If the underlying causes for such behaviour are not addressed then they will more than likely be carried over into adulthood and that can lead to much more damaging consequences.

People who rape, indulge in pedophilia, bully and injure others are doing so because of unmet needs. It may begin in subtle and seemingly harmless ways but it can end up in tragedy. The challenge is to help young people discover how to identify and meet their real needs. Drawing attention to their ‘acting out’ is hardly the way to win their confidence and to get them to open up about what really troubles them.

As per Dane post: ~ Feminists have long campaigned for the 'right' of women to do what they want, whenever they want, however they want. This has resulted in a culture where women are not expected to take responsibility for their actions. ~

Personally, as a female myself, I think this is a very valid statement. However, not so much in the 'not taking responsibility' part, more so in a blurring of the Roles of male & female.
What I have noticed (in a general overall context) is that women are becoming less 'Womanly' and men are becoming more 'Feminine'. Which will present it's on problems in time to come.

As per Pelican post: ~As far as the pack rape scenario goes, even if the women had consented to participate in group sex in the past, this does not mean that she wanted to participate with a group of drunken unethical football thugs or wanted to be raped.~

No, it doesn't. BUT, if you are foolish enough to put yourself in that position - for whatever reason - there is a good chance that bad things could happen. And by CHOOSING to participate in these activities you open yourself up to array of possible outcomes. And that is where taking responsibility DOES come into it.