Pynchme, normal people don't equate normal sex, even if unsatisfactory, with anal rape. You seem unable to tell the difference, so I can only assume you haven't enjoyed your own sexual experiences, if there have been any.

If anyone was anally raped, regardless of gender, I suspect the experience would be terrible. The anus is not actually a sex organ, while the vagina most assuredly is. There is a quantum difference between anal rape and vaginal intercourse. There is also a quantum difference between Nina's experience (which wasn't a rape, but an assault, whatever the assailant's intent) and some snogging that goes too far, or a drunken shag that one regrets in the morning, yet as the definitions stand, they may both be classed as rapes if the woman complains to police and assuredly will be if she contacts one of the "victim-milking" organisations.

You see, pynchme, no one here has ever said that a violent rape is anything other than a terrible thing, yet you keep coming back to this risible extreme case. In all seriousness, it's a non-question.

Ginx: "look at moi, look at moi"

No, nothing to see here.

I heard Prof Lumpy (lubmy) on the radio where she said;

"The onus is totally on the male!" Nothing about equal rights, or equal privileges, Just the implication that when things go wrong, it it totally the males responsibility.

Charles Waterstreet wrote an interesting article.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/a-broader-malady-20090516-b6vz.html?page=-1

"It's not only the players but also the young female fans who need Lumby and Albury's assistance and advice.

Standards across the entire board need to be lifted. Responsibility for our own actions start with ourselves.

We need a complete and continuing audit of the relationships between men and women and each other."

We need more feminists like Charles Waterstreet.

Pynchme: Nah, jeans don’t worry me…exception being those that help to form muffin tops ;-). Thinking me a prude …big big mistake.

Ginx: “One Einfeld fell foul of it” Was it only Einfeld in that case, who told porkpies? Wasn’t there someone of other gender? Me thinks so. Me remembers so. Einfeld’s case was about trying to dodge a speeding ticket fine, not a sex crime for which 20years or more is the go. Great though to read one positive contribution coming from you.

Ninaf: ”my case was not labelled a NOD”. I think LD (liar detected) would be appropriate in respect to many cases…just ask Hamilton police, Waikato, NZ, about the research they did back in circa 1998…why any different on this side of the ditch?

“You also have stated information which has never been released to the press regarding some specifics of the case (perp wearing trackies).”

Oh you wish to clarify the “trackies” bit with us… nothing much else.

With technology being what it is these days there is nothing difficult about doing a bit of your own research with respect to a story with many blanks in it and doesn’t seem to hang together too well.

Now in wikimapia zooming in on Hunters Hill…mmm…remember fishing with my dad in my nipper days on Longueville wharf…little more than a stones throw away…mmmm….bus from Sydney would come from west along Woolwich Rd…mmmm…now in Google Earth ground level 360* street view.. amazing... so that is the park …getting the feeling I am actually there…street lighting doesn’t look too good…mmm…can see bus sign post outside park…but must have got off bus other side of road as traffic into peninsular suburb comes from the west…unless p*ssed missing stop then on bus’s return…now there’s a chance since coming from birthday celebration drinks …wonder what went on there…mmm…

http://www.131500.com.au/pdf/western_region_guide_map.pdf

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=-33.840392&lon=151.1667788&z=19&l=0&m=h&v=2

Antiseptic – “no one here has ever said that a violent rape is anything other than a terrible thing, yet you keep coming back to this risible extreme case. In all seriousness, it's a non-question”.

I don’t consider it a non-question at all : especially in a thread where “Have you ever enjoyed sex?” is considered a pertinent question.

Nope: no-one has said violent rape isn’t terrible – they are just trying to deny its prevalence.

Pynchme at no stage tried to equate “normal sex” with anal rape. She was equating male rape with female rape. The fact that you, personally, don’t consider anal sex “normal” is irrelevant. Millions do.

You “suspect” anal rape would be terrible. Speaking from experience: it is.

There is a “quantum difference between anal rape and vaginal intercourse”. Certainly.

There is also a “quantum difference” between consensual anal intercourse and anal rape.

The same difference exists between consensual vaginal intercourse and vaginal rape. Once again I speak from experience.

Your argument that anal rape is worse because the anus is not considered a sexual organ is again subjective.

However, if you mean that shock, horror, disgust, pain, powerlessness and fear engendered by having a large object shoved up any orifice in the human body depends upon which orifice is used you are entirely incorrect.

I use the word “object” here not because I shrink from the word penis, but because a penis is not particularly necessary for this process. Bottles, sticks, broom handles…just about any object can be substituted.

These are not usually considered sexual organs either but this too, it seems, is subjective.

Now, because the media has resurrected some ancient titillation concerning a particular a-typical sector of the wider community, this provides weight to support a belief that most cases of reported rape are beat-ups (pardon the pun) and, rather curiously, that unreported rapes are not common? The link to the latter is somewhat unclear.

Apart from extrapolation from sensationalist or partisan sources – what experiences support your thesis? Ever worked in a Crisis Centre, Psychiatric facility, Emergency Room, Homeless Shelter, for example?

Romany, to repeat myself yet again, no on here has suggested that violent rape is anything other than violent rape. Pynchme seems hung-up on trying to equate sex with anal rape, but that's her own concern.

The issue of reporting frequency is vexed. It has gone through the roof as the New Wowsers take a tighter hold on the media and feed us "mother knows best" polemics. There is a nasty sense of triumphalism about the whole Johns issue, for example.

romany:"a belief that most cases of reported rape are beat-ups"

I have never claimed that and it is unworthy of you to ty to use such a stupid statement to discredit me. As you are well aware, my opinion is that many types of activity are now claimed to be rape, when they are not, leading to inflation of the apparent numbers of cases.

Not a single woman here has expressed any concern about the possible damage to the victims of those false claims, nor about the misdirection of resources that these false claims entail.

Anti that's not exactly true the no woman has expressed concern for the victims of falsified reports. I have, on a number of occassions, stated very clearly that I have nothing but contempt for people who falsify reports as not only do those reports ruin the lives of the innocent people they accuse, but they also make it harder for legitimate victims to speak out, as there is less liklihood that they will be believed.

If a man or woman is ever so stupid to falsify a charge there is very little liklihood of it getting any where. Already we know that many legit cases go uncharged due to lack of evidence.

But still, I suppose a mans reputation would still be left in tatters even if there was no court conviction