Pynchme: “As long as you refuse to even accept figures provided by police and by surveys as noted by the Australian Institute of Criminology and other reputable sources,…”

By referring Houellebecq to reputable sources are you telling him that those sources provide comprehensive data in respect to sexual assault and rape crimes? If so, do those sources include meaningful data on the crime of “bearing false witness”? A crime which I had hitherto understood was neither tracked nor punished.

ninaf:"my case was not labeled a NOD as there was clear evidence of an offence "

Fair enough.

ninaf:"under reporting, not falsified reporting is the biggest issue"

Now this is where we diverge, because there may be many reasons for not reporting an incident that could be classed an "assault" under the very broad set of definitions that are used today. In addition, a false report has a victim; the person falsely accused. It may be done to obtain an advantage. An unreported incident may not even have someone who perceives him/herself as a victim, especially if it's something like unwanted sex in the context of a relationship, for example. I doubt that many experiences such as your own go unreported.

ninaf:"your own claim that a woman has falsified evidence against you"

I've never claimed that. My complaint is that she made no allegation whatever about my behaviour that was more "violent" than a mutual loud argument. I acknowledge my voice is loud - 25 years working in noisy environments either kills a voice or makes it strong... The police acknowledged that there was no violence or threat of violence made, yet proceeded to issue an interim DVO, then sought for it to be made official in Court, all in the middle of her seeking to get full custody of our children. Of course, all the police personnel were women, except the couple of burly men standing in the corridor to keep all the "violent" men in line as they sat waiting their turn at the rack. I'm very skeptical indeed of any claim that relies on Police integrity for verification.

mcd:"I fail to see any inconsistencies in Ms. Funnell's story at all"

I don't doubt she was attacked, but there are indeed inconsistencies in the story. They may never be resolved, which is not unusual.

Pynchme:"that diversion discredits the piece."

LOL That "diversion" WAS the piece, you twit.

Pynchme:"what about males who are raped by other males"

Do you routinely enjoy anal sex? Have you ever once actually enjoyed sex at all?

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(Boy!! That post count thing!)

15/5:
It is perhaps opportune that the maggot had not been allowed to return to spew his vitriol. Something Nina that you should have agreed to. The endeavour to 'be fair' cut straight across the request of another poster. She was left out on a limb by your allowing this creature to continue. She has currently withdrawn.

What price feminism and the 'sisterhood' there?
He stayed. She went. A decent human being v a an odious slime ball.

16/5:
septic: I'm not interested in monkeys, I'm after the organ grinder.

(You were given some small compliment by NF, you used it to further condescend and disparage her. As I said,-the usual. I've nothing further to say to you).

crap: "....If so, do those sources include meaningful data on the crime of “bearing false witness”? A crime which I had hitherto understood was neither tracked nor punished."

God's strewth!!

1) You are suggesting NF lied? Try,TRY- to develop a brain cell;-just one will do.
2) 'bearing false witness'?? Too much telly son. And Biblical telly at that.
3) Perjury. It's called perjury. One Einfeld fell foul of it.
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I am not a feminist. I believe that a principle of blind loyalty is just that. Blind.

The maggot put up some pictures (such enthusiasm;-sweet. But, again: wrong thread).

However; my view of the woman in those pictures,-and crucially her own statements, prompt me to say that her type are the kind of slags that legitimise some of the comments that have occurred here.

Women like that should NOT be protected by feminism, because they have done bugger all to promote respect and equally for women. They have done the opposite.

Must fly my dears, look forward to a natter later.

GINX

I had not thought about the Fractelle issue from that perspective and I apologise to both Fractelle and yourself if I have caused offence.

I maintain though that it is important for Roscops comments to be left up as they demonstrate just how much ignorance there is in this society and it his words which validate the need for the type of research I do.

You refer top photos which were put up...(presumably by Roscop?) I've scrolled back a few posts and can't seem to find the ones you mean. R they photos of me or someone else? If they are photos of me that is very concerning and I will consider contacting the moderators.

Also- Roscop- ^You r starting to creep everyone out. You mention weil park (a park in Hunters Hill directly opposite a girls school). I have never once (in the press) stated the name of the park where I was assaulted though I did give a general description of the suburb. This leads me to believe that you are doing your own research into the local geography of the suburb, which to be quite honest, is down right peverse. I suggest you take some time to reflect on why you are so obsessed with this issue. You also have stated information which has never been released to the press regarding some specifics of the case (perp wearing trackies). Perhaps this was just a lucky guess. Still. You're a creep

Nina,

I should clarify this straight away.

Crap put up some links to pictures of a nonentity (we differ I suspect, in our opinions of some women), called 'Charmyne' or some such. She was the attractive long haired blonde woman who gave an interview to 4C on the 'sportsmen' (as opposed to real men), SEXUAL ABUSE story.

She admits to the enjoyment of the groupie lifestyle and group sex, then took the moral high ground over 'the girl in the room'!

Is it any damn wonder that many men (on OLO at least) see that poor sad creature Johns; as a victim! After all;-'women like it, don't they, then cry foul afterwards'.

It surprises me that men cannot make the distinction that not ALL women think like that. Not ALL women are 'fair game'. AND;...and it's damn well got to be said:-not ALL women are stupid enough to willingly go to a room with a couple of men.

Nah! It doesn't surprise me at all. Particularly the 'thugby' players (nice tag, CJ!), who are not in the game for their intellect.

The fact that these men were supposed adults, and 11 of then ended up in the room, seems to escape many 'gentlemen' on OLO.

But I can chat about that elsewhere.

On Thursday, I was in a discussion, where I defended some of the problems that arise for men. On Friday I got a call from a friend who asked me if I still felt the same in light of some of the male attitudes here and elsewhere. I did not feel any differently about what I said.

I wasn't talking about the type of XY that behaves in this manner and then justifies it, nor those who have sprang to their defence.

I was talking about men.

It is so nice to know that many many, blokes are appalled by the behaviour of those morons. The OLO Boy's Club, doth not the male race make. Thank Glod!

As to the Fractelle situation, we must agree to differ.

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Ginx I'm surprised to hear that Fractelle might have withdrawn because of that. I made a complaint too. We both saw sense I think in some of rstuart's comments about it and fair enough; at least the final decision was offered to Nina. In the upshot I think she made the right one; but at least we obtained that opportunity and Roscop's posts have been taken to the attention of the moderator.

In any case I don't see it as a "sisterhood" issue. I'm a feminist and in my experience feminist opinion is wide and varied on many issues; many disagree on certin points - and that's ok; it's good.

Nina: I took the reference to photos to mean the link Roscop posted that was about the woman whose face had been terribly damaged when her partner shot her or perhaps the pics to which Ginx referred.

Btw I have been extremely concerned at Roscop's obsession with your case.

Antiseptic: I don't think my personal life is any of your biz and nor is it relevant when we are discussing issues. You seem to often evade any questions about male rape. How about we defer talking about female victims for a while and focus on males.

So, the question was (addessed to roscop and only partially quoted by you):

<"So, what about males who are raped by other males? What should they do to avoid being too attractive to rapists?

Do you think both females and males should be wearing Burkhas?">

So let's test all your (myths) beliefs about rape when applying them to a different demographic.