ninaf: "It is a highly personal and traumatising experience and there has to be a level of respect for the victims already violated sense of privacy"

Oh, certainly. I do think, however, that going public with the matter in the way you did tends to undermine this argument in your specific situation.

ninaf: "I find the photos extraordinarily upsetting and do not feel comfortable even thinking about them, let alone sharing them with others."

I do grasp this point, but what I'm interested in why the photos are so upsetting when the recollection of the event itself is obviously something you have dealt with quite successfully? It does seem that you find the images more of a personal concern than the actual events behind them, which I find interesting and from my own personal viewpoint quite strange.

rstuart:"what place does it have in a health discussion of the points made in the article"

The relevance is that Nina has made sexual behaviour a central part of her interests and she has said that her own experience of assault has had a profound influemce on that. She uses that interest and the connections she has made to reinforce her authority ("As someone who works with sexual assault victims"), so her credibility is an issue. The volume of discussion seems to indicate some people find it a worthwhile digression, don't you think?

TRTL: "I imagine you view this as enlightening the masses about a supposed feminist conspiracy."

What "conspiracy"? He alleged that Nina gilded the lily, but I can't recall any allegation of collusion in doing so. The whole conspiracy business was an invention of Nina's 3 new friends, "doubleaa", "mcd" and "jl". You never used to get so easily side-tracked.

ninaf: "the reason why I engage with Anti, is that Anti has genuine intentions of using arguments"

Thanks, Nina. I do try and I'm glad you're able to do the same. I sometimes play rough, but I do try to play fair.

SJF and Pynchme have implied that I lack empathy.

I watched the 4 corners program, I couldn't help but feel sorry for some of the women who had the misfortune to cross paths with these football players and I felt angry that the players responsible escaped penalty.

Whilst 4 corners is usually of a higher standard than other commercial programs, the ABC and 4 corners are not above playing with a little bit of sophistry and 4 corners did have its knuckles rapped over another program for misrepresentation.

Something is severely wrong if these boof heads who were more than likely raised by feminist mothers, are behaving in such a manner

Antiseptic: "The relevance is that Nina has made sexual behaviour a central part of her interests and she has said that her own experience of assault has had a profound influemce on that."

What motivates her is beside the point. You are playing the person, not the issues she raises.

Its odd actually. Her story is black and white. As she tells it, there is no doubt she clearly said no, and there no doubt that her assailant would have known that. It can not be used to support her argument that the male must repeatedly and explicitly ask for permission at every step, and at every step receive a clear yes. Such rules would do nothing to prevent what happened to her. Perhaps that is what she doesn't use it. But nonetheless, several here feel the need accuse her of lying. Yet even if she is lying there is no victim, as no one was prosecuted(?) So why does it matter if she is? I honestly don't get it. To me the attempt to manipulate the statistics to make out Australian is a land stocked with rapists is a far worse crime.

rstuart: "You are playing the person, not the issues she raises."

No, I was challenging the source of her self-proclaimed authority, when she said "As someone who works with sexual assault victims", which, as we found out later wasn't strictly an accurate description. That lead on to the discussion of her association with the NSWRCC and so on. It has finally come to here: that's how discussions work.

rstuart: "So why does it matter if she is?"

Because she has made it a public part of her life and she is trying to become a public figure, if she is not already. If a public figure tells a self-aggrandising lie it doesn't matter a great deal in and of itself; lots of people do that sort of thing. However, if proven untrue, it would raise integrity issues. I'm sure Nina is well aware of all that and she's had her say on the matter, which is fair enough.

I do agree with your point in respect of the inflated rape statistics. It comes down to vested interests wanting money. The money seems to be running out a bit, though...

Why do I say Prof(sic) Catharine Lumby is “stuck-up”? Just heard the woman on radio saying there are Not two classes of women in society. This has to be the classes of women…just google “Trinity” and “Bukake”. Wow what a class of women us men are blessed with. Ms Lumby says men should show a “basic” level of respect to all women. Well…I guess the upper threshold for that has to be extremely low.

Ms Lumby says on radio that the Matthew Johns matter should be a wake-up call to men men men men…. Catharine Lumby talks through her pompous feminist hat.

We all know that western societies (with the US at the epicentre) have been in a state of moral decay since the 70’s. Catharine Lumby’s understudy, Nina Funnell, alludes to this moral decay in her article “Don't patronise ladies who raunch” I observe young female students (ladettes) nearly every day in the community wearing provocative clothing in the presence of male students. The tightness of their “body revealing jeans” would present a nightmare for any lone rapist operating in the Weil Park, Hunters Hill area…he would be completely freaked out…the “stock standard” fantasy all rapists harbour (it is all about power) would be shot completely. I understand police took from Nina Funnell, besides other items of clothing, a pair of jeans and a belt, as evidence of the sexual attack on her.

Just really came back to reject pynchme's assertion of my 'desperate pro-rape mentality', even though it will go in one ear and out the other.

I note that this kind of 'abuse' passes muster with your general feminist OLO poster. It's only those nasty men silencing women on OLO isn't it ginxy. Roscop is way over the line IMHO (in fact if I was nina I'd be looking into restraining orders, that research was creepy man!) but I had to laugh when a certain poster who calls men a 'sensitive little bunch of flowers' is p'd off because someone called her 'difficult' when she decided her only child 'play by my rules' should always prevail.

James,

Liked your link.

'They are being treated like feeble creatures, who have to be chaperoned and asked for their consent. What happened to the idea that women know their own minds, and can say ‘no’ if they don’t want it?'

Antiseptic,

I understand your line about nina, but it really is a tad insensitive and distasteful. I do remember a girl at uni who claimed she was raped, but thought it gave her some kind of gender studies street cred. She seemed almost excited about it. Really weird.

'I do agree with your point in respect of the inflated rape statistics. It comes down to vested interests wanting money. '

Watch out, I think we have another pro-rape mentality here pynchme.