Dane, You say Muslim countries don’t claim to be Liberal democracies. They claim to be Islamic States and that is what they are.

They are religious states in other words. This does not alter the fact that they use religion as a cloak for their racism and would quickly kill someone from any other race or country who tried to become leader of their Middle Eastern Countries.

You know that’s the truth as well as I do.

They are not different to any other race or people on the planet in that respect. The Jews as well. The West experiments with the idea of tolerance but it deludes itself.

I see both sides as hell bent on keeping control of territory as they need land and resources to survive just like every other species on the planet does. They are both fighting a war of survival. Especially as they are having 6to 10children and so need the land they already have, multiplied 6 to 10 times every 19years or so as those children mature and need a home and resources of their own.
Who can blame anyone for fighting to survive on either side. It is a sad unsolveable situation.

To have even a chance of achieving justice you need to have sufficient resources. The tragedy of Israel is only a foretaste of what awaits all of us unless we manage to develop a sustainable lifestyle. We see the same in Dafur - when the rains come the various groups live peacefully side by side; but when the rains fail it is a battle for the water and the limited pastures. No doubt there are other examples. Religion only serves to cloak the reality that people are fighting over limited and scarce resources.

GYM-FISH believes his/her own delusions.....perhaps that's what he/she wants to believe. Hitler was a professed Christian until the end! Ha! Ha! Where did you dig that one up from? Obviously you have done no reading/research around the matter. Better not let the truth get in the way of fantasy! Next he/she will have us believe that the barbarity of atheistic communism or Mao is the work of the Vatican. Does Gym-Fysh live in a world of fantastical conspiracies? I wonder. For your information Hitler came to loathe Christianity, accusing it of being a Jewish tool.

The Kingdom of Heaven is not a religion but government with a society and culture where citizens mimic their King, Jesus the Christ. Pilate called him "King of the Jews". The people called him "Son of David"
Simon Peter called him "the Christ, the son of the living God".
What you call him is your choice. You have free will granted by God as your God given right. The Anzacs faught to preserve that right when men tried to take that right away. Be very careful people that some carasmatig man does not convince you with a sweet talking tongue to give up your freedom.
When I was young the culture of this nation was the culture of Great Brition. G. Whitlam replaced it with multigulturism, using the Law to make the change rejecting Gods Law given through Moses, a Jew. We have politicions today devaluing Life and chosing Death through abortion and euthenasia as our culture again using the Law to change the culture (what we think). We have the UN pushing their culture upon us. We have the multi media pushing the U.S.A. culture upon us. We have all religions and beliefs pushing their culture upon us, so many choices to make. Where is the way?

History will show that the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 was a travesty of justice in which the UNO was manipulated by USA and Britain to cull out a state for Zionist Jews. The initial conditions imposed by Britain were NEVER observed by the Zionists led by Chaim Weizman (not sure of the last name!sorry) and that was that at every step of the planning the Arabs were to be consulted and that NOTHING should be done to leave the Arab majority at a disadvantage in life. Well...we all know what happened. Lord Balfour saw his so-called Balfour Declaration flouted so brazenly but kept his mouth shut.EVERYONE in power at the time knew what was transpiring but deliberately failed to stopo the injustice.

This is NOT a racist statement.Anyone who has read the history of the period knows that I am being objective and non-accusative.The facts must speak for themselves.

Ok so what?Half a century later we have a state that has stolen land to augment its size and has no de jure right to exist but by virtue of its present realities has forced on the world its de facto reality and therefore has to be recognised.There are tens of thousands of people who have come to Israel from all parts of the world and bought land and property and have a right to settlement if under Israeli law only.Sobeit. Now what has to happen is the creation of the state of Palestine and the acceptance by Hammas. Too many innocent women and children have been massacred in the struggle. I do feel sorry for Hammas and for its David-like stand against Goliath using his pathetically inadequate sling-shot of DIY rockets to take on one of the greatest military poweras in the world that is backed by the might of the USA even today.

Palestinians have lost the battle but will win the war eventually. Demography is destiny and there's nothing that the Zionists can ever do to prevent that eventuating.

socrates

socratease.

Good to find someone that takes pity on Hamas, since they do not take pity on their own people. On the rare chance that they ever win "the war", it would be the blackest day for the Palestinian people, whose overpopulation problem will then be solved by throwing most of them from rooftops.

"Palestinians have lost the battle"

No - Palestinians just won one battle (albeit, sadly, with many casualties), Hamas lost.

"but will win the war eventually"

If you refer to Hamas, they will not, because they have nothing constructive to offer, only hatred, murder and similar negatives.

If you refer to Palestinians, their win is the win of Israel as well. The true interest of Israelis and Palestinians is the same.

"Demography is destiny"

Using the womb as a weapon is a crime against the planet. The overpopulation it causes only serves to make its users impoverished, starving, having no water and dying of treatable diseases.

"and there's nothing that the Zionists can ever do"...

What zionists are you talking about? we are in the 21st century now. Zionism was a trend of the first half of the 20th century, you seem to still be living in those times. The people that live in Israel today, at least those under 60, were born there and seen no day under British rule (and even the older ones were too young to influence events). They just want to get on with their lives in the only place they can call home.

Israel was successful because it always strived to build and make the best of what it has. Those Arab locals (notably the Druze, Cherkesians, Christians, some Bedouins, but also others) that had positive goals and attitudes, joined in and became an integral part of the thriving Israeli nation. Reasonable Palestinians that join them now will also have a prosperous state, but those who only ever cared for the negatives of hurting others, have deliberately made themselves poor and miserable, trying to attract pity from people like yourself, and so will remain miserable till their last day.