As always, Lowenstein is the one doing the distorting.

Yes, the Hamas won the election so what? It is a party that sworn for the destruction of Israel, and whose charter is not endorsed by the Palestinian authority. Israel is a state recognized by many countries except the hard-line Islamic states who are now using Hamas to wage proxy wars against Israel. If Israel is intended to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth so be it, let Hamas fulfill its own charter and promises to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. Go back and have a look at every peace agreements signed between the Palestinian authority and Israel since the days of Arafat. Hamas have always been the breaker of peace negotiations!
When President Abas signaled his intention of setting up a Palestine state, as proposed by Israel, the Hamas invaded Gaza and toppled the Fatah authority! I just don't understand why apologists like you guys criticize Israel.
My heart goes out to the innocent lives lost in the Israeli air assault, but unless Hamas ceased its senseless attack on Israeli neighborhood, there will be no peace! The world is quick to condemn Israel and not the Hamas, which is interesting! When rockets reigned down on Israel, no one seemed to care!
Plus, toppling a legitimate government by a criminal faction loyal to one party in government, is amount to treason! and you guys should know that! Fatah loyal officers were lined up and shot when Hamas took over Gaza. A number of Hamas men deserted the Hamas after seeing the treatment of their own people. Including a son of a Hamas founder now speaking out against Hamas now!

To all those 'Hamas' supporters out there.

A recent demonstration (days ago) found on youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo

from fort lauderdale florida shows a largish Pro Palestinian demonstration and a smaller pro Israel one on the opposite corner.

A muslim woman repeatedly shouts out "You are losers" while holding up a sign "Nuke Israel"...later she abuses the Pro Israelies with this charming example of Muslim womanhood.."you are your mothers whore"
Another delightful Pro Palestinian woman says "Go back to the OVEN...you need a bigger OVEN"

The Imam then says "Once we educate people to the true Islam, they won't be able to resist it".. duh!

The Muslim crowd then tries to attack the pro Israel group and shows the true nature of "Kill them wherever you find them" Islam.

TOMORROW (Sunday 2:00pm) at the State Library (Melbourne) we will have the usual 'Rent-a-Crowd' of loony lefists and their Muslim partners, both using each other.

When Lowenstien speaks of 'Muslim numbers growing' is he talking about the likes of Nisam Rayan who has 4 wives and 12 children?
That kind of thing?

-Israel relinquished Gaza.. and STILL missiles flew.
-Hamas builds smuggling tunnels for weapons.. Israel bombs them.. Israel is the bad guy? sorry.. that defies rationality.

But come what may, as I said before.. the FRAMEWORK is the important thing.

HAMAS CHARTER is the basis on which Hamas works...and it involves genocide against Israel

Hands up all those 'pro palestinians' out there in OLO who support GENOCIDE?

Now..hands up all those who support Hamas, and DON'T believe they will do what their charter says (Genocide).

All those who put up their hands for the last question may now go to the dunces corner.

I like you, Polycarp:-)! Loved your last post & link! As many people as possible should view it. It speaks for itself. Unfortunately too many Muslims share these views (that the entire world should be Islamised, that not enough Jews were killed in the Holocaust etc. - on the latter point many belive it simply didn't happen!).
The need to turn to violence (which was luckily prevented by police in this instance) is also not too uncommon.
But as our "distinguished" authors would have us believe, it's all Israel's fault - and so was September 11!

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict was essentially a political one but is now complicated by Islamism.

The Israelis have to finish HAMAS off, from its top general to the last foot soldier. Then, she has to return all the land captured after 1967 in exchange for lasting peace. This is possible only after the citadel (Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Al Azhar 'university')of Islamism is completely cleansed.

Hi Mebda... any support is always welcome :)

for all:

SELF TEST: "Am I a supporter of Genocide against Jews?"

Questions.

1/ Does Israel have a right to exist?

2/ Does Hamas believe they have a right to exist?

3/ If Hamas had the power, would Israel exist?

4/ Do you support Hamas?

5/ Do you believe that Israel should be free from the indiscriminant, evil attack of rockets which don't care if they murder old men and women or young children in the playground?

6/ If one of YOUR neighbours was hurling rockets into your back yard on a daily basis, would you just whine, wring your hands and bear it OR.. WOULD YOU take decisive action to end it by finding the perpetrator AND all those who voted for him and all supporters?

7/ Is Israel at fault for blockading Gaza as a LEAST harmful action to prevent rockets being launched and arms smuggling tunnels being built?

8/ Have you read and UNDERSTOOD the Hamas Charter(Islamic Mein Kampf)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article721211.ece (exerpts)

http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html (full text)

Article 7 "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews),

Article 18:
Woman in the home of the fighting family, whether she is a mother or a sister, plays the most important role in looking after the family, rearing the children and embuing them with moral values and thoughts derived from Islam. She has to teach them to perform the religious duties in preparation for the role of fighting awaiting them.

It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Muslim generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. (Article 15)

NOTICE that? "it is a religious problem" according to Hamas.

Oops..I thought it was about land? silly me.

IF...you support Hamas, you support Genocide! Sorry..but true.
The claim that they were democratically elected is meaningless.
Those who don't get this should not even discuss the matter.

see you all at 1.30pm (sunday 4th) Melbourne State Library in SUPPORT of Israel :)