Am I missing something? Surely the fact this article exists proves that this secular democracy is able to hear Keyser Trad's objections? The objections to the University of Western Sydney have got wide coverage. Others have objected to Mr Trads objections. Mr Trad has now objected to the objections to his objections. Viva democracy. Where's Wally?

Yes the Islamists are defintely given untold media space. The problem is their contribution to debates on the universities is woefully misinformed. There is an alarming amount of either ignorance or denial here about the insidious influence the Islamists are having on our universities.

We have the appalling situation at Griffith University where the Vice Chancellor is prepared not only to plagiarise from Wikipedia, but to print the academic nonsense of so-called "Islmaic Science" "scholars." Come on! What on earth would Griffith University know about medieval history, or Theology of any religion, let alone Islam? http://culturewarriorwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/queenslands-professors-of-terror-or.html

Now, we have Islamists interfering in university Literature courses. http://culturewarriorwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/radical-imans-pressure-uws-for-control.html

And finally, we have Islamic imams - with barely any academic peer-reviewed publishing record being held out as a "leading scholar."
http://culturewarriorwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/griffith-unis-professor-of-unity-needs.html

Wake up people!

Paul L, most of your questions have been asked to me by John Stanley (2ue), Alan Jones (2gb), the late Stan Zamanek (2ue)and Richard Fidler (ABC, conversation Hour). The question that was not asked is about past societies that had been destroyed, the Bible as well as the Qur`an talk about the destruction of past societies, how God destroyed these societies because their elites oppressed the weak and killed the weak. They were not destroyed at the hands of people, but through abnormal "natural disasters". Your knowledge of history should suffice to understand.
Boaz, your source of information is historically wrong, the fight between Abu Bakr and some of the states was because they refused to pay their taxes, it were called the "Ridda" battle because they refused to return their taxes, these people did not apostate because they still declared that there was only One God and that Muhammad was His final messenger.
The Persians were a superpower equal to the Romans at that time, this is why victory alternated between them as outlined in the opening of Sura ArRum (30). If you recheck your facts, the Muslims were always vastly outnumbered in these conflicts.
Finally, I want to illustrate the obvious, if as you say Boaz that Sura 9 is a general order that applies even today, then why are 1.5 or 1.3 billion Muslims or whatever number are not following your interpretation. Is it so difficult for you to understand the simple fact that the vast majority of this one point something billion Muslims are advocates of love, peace, respect and mutual understanding proves that your fears are unwarranted and that your interpretation is wrong. As for Griffith Uni, I think the whole episode is a shemozzle, but try to understand this: the uni received a donation of 100,000, yet Saudi students bring in excess of 300 million to our universities in fees. Their money along with fees paid by Malaysian and Chinese students are compensating our universities for the reduced government funding so that your children and mine can still find a place in university.

"Dear Graham..... we note with interest that Kaysar approached you."

'WE' BOZO? The point of your comment is noted;-but speak for yourself, not others.

How very very, sad this all is. Nothing but intense dislike for one belief system (anything Islam is now a mantra, there is nothing else to hate;...and to defend. It has gone on and on AND ON for over seven years now).

And the greatest criticism comes from another belief system-the Christian. So the Muslim WILL defend him/herself, WILL circle the wagons' and become more defensive; more devout,......and the Christian lines up with the racist (yes the RACIST!); the bigot; the straight out hater- and they ALL become more intensive; more devout in their desire to prove that they are right.

You ALL of you; every last one of you, are a pathetic and sad lot who are NOT blind to how you exacerbate the situation. You thrive on that, it gives you grist for your mill.

And the rest of us are inexorably and unwillingly dragged into this and its inherent evil.

And we are the lucky ones because we are likely to survive, but so many innocent people have died, and will continue to die while we impose on each other that our way is the right way.

So damn sad.

Spare me your usual guff of 'any that oppose my view do not understand the situation'. I have heard it all before so many times.

I am tired, and I am sad, and I think frankly that OLO is becoming too evangelistic.

How many have and will die, because of your wretched religions or your just plain nastiness.

Kayser,why did Philip Clarke ban you from his program a few yrs ago?Was it because you suggested that women who dress inappropiately were inviting rape?

Do you still support Sheik Hilali and the bile that sprouts from his mouth or have you undergone some sort of metamorphisis that will make you more palitable to us Kaffirs?

Dear Ginx....
I've raised certain issues with Kaysar and..(did you see this?) he then answered them from his point of view. He didn't attack 'me'... or call me names (as you did).
*point to Kaysar* and 2 points deducted from the 'Socialist'...you.

He claims 'media generated misunderstanding' This is an attempt to clarify the truth.(however unpalatable to him or you this might be)

Dear_KAYSAR...
good try:) but.. no_cigar. Interesting perspective though. "They were attacked because they didn't pay their taxes"?

You can (to quote naive Mercurious) 'nuance' this to your hearts content..the facts remain.

Now..lets move from 'your' apologetic to something more reliable.. the Hadith tradition itself.

Muslim Book 001, Number 0029:(partial)

..when the Messenger of Allah(died) ...and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor, those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became APOSTATES.

'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared:

"I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah,... and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property"

DISCUSSION.

1/ Some Arabs rejected the Zakat Tax.
2/ Making them 'apostates'.(=non muslims)
3/ Omar wonders why they should be attacked (and quotes 9:29 to affirm that peoples property is safe IF they are Muslims)
4/ Abu Bakr affirms they are NOT Muslims, but apostates.
5/ Umar now agrees.(they must be attacked)
6/ Umar later(through Al Mughira) uses 9:29 to justify invading Persia.

PERSIA.. being a superpower does not mean "come and invade me". The clear fact is. The Islamic state invaded Persia, and used Surah_9:29 to justify it.

"Why don't Muslims today use it and invade?" :) They TRIED but were stopped at Tours in 732 and 11/Sep/1683 Vienna...'thats' why mate, "power balance", plain and simple.

Haven't you seen that leb video with the Lebanese flag over a map of Australia ? and 'Under new management'.......clearly there are some very violent Muslims who are closer to Abu_Bakr and Omar than you.