CJMorgan the comments by man 2,3,4 are to be expected after the torrent of abuse many have endured by many from the Muslim community.
Remember Sheik Hilali who implied that Aussie women who got raped were at fault since they were uncovered meat waiting to be devoured by males.This was the leader of of their community who was merely reflecting the Koran and community views.

The savagery of the beatings and murders their gangs have perpetrated on decent folk has been ignored,as with their criminal activities.They are disproportionally represented in our gaols and the Police are so fearful of any interaction,that they will not attend a disturbance when these gangs are in sizable numbers.

You don't deal with the wrongs and injustices of Islam by submission and hoping the violence will go away.Muslims have to realise that is they who must change,since our freedoms will not be bargained way by the weakness of the left.Eg ABC and 4 Corners.

If we give up so easily now,then our predecessors may as well have given into the Japs and Germans.

Anyone who adds the score between Islamic terrorism and Western political interference needs to take a good check of colonial history added to what is happening today in Iraq.

It was a couple of years ago that Mubarek, leader of Egypt was asked by a British journalist what was the main problem in the Middle East.

Because Egypt is not regarded as a terrorist Islamic nation, Mubarek's quick reply that the Middle East's main problem is Western Intrusion and Injustice was doubtless surprising.

However, many academic historians believe the above also,
and it could be backed by the fact that Israel, a non-Islamic little nation has been allowed by the Western dominated United Nations to gradually build up one of a most deadly array of nuclear weaponry while the rest of the Islamic Middle East is even refused normal protective weaponry.

It is so interesting that it was Henry Kissinger way back in the early 1970s when Israel first became militarily nuclear, predicted what the Middle East is plagued with right now, abnormal hatred between Jews and Arabs made worse by Western political easiness towards Israel- made much worse of course right now by the Western world looking to the Middle East to allay the global oil shortage.

CJ.. people are listening to what you say..don't despair.

From one of your quotes (Wright Neville) is this:

<<"the injudicious use of hard power" can feed the problem of terrorism.>>

The key word here of course is "Injudicious".

Our whole society is held together by rather 'hard power' in the form of police, and untlimately military.

The major problem with the Cronulla events was the LACK of 'hard power' where and when it was needed, in stopping both the ratbag element of the Anglos and the convoy of Leb Muslim cars in the revenge attacks.

The racist knee jerk "we don't want youz" which you quoted.. is the reason why I take the approach of examining the doctrines which feed the alienation, (Quran) and at the same time, to avoid a reaction exactly like what you observe, by adjusting immigration and education policy in terms of social harmony, cultural cohesian and political stability.

If you don't aim at those things, you surely will not hit them.

Sadly, as long as you tend to avoid closely scrutinizing the history of the growth of Islam from Mohammad to the end of the conquest of North Africa, the Middle East and Persia, India, Spain...paying particular attention to the role the doctrines and example of Mohammad play in all of that, you will only be able to make knee jerk comments about knee jerk reactions, like in your last post or 2 :)

Blessings.

I think Bertrand's central contention - that Ms Neighbour didn't do enough to emphasise the other side of the argument, holds up reasonably.
He really falls to pieces however, because he does a pretty similar thing. Aside from a couple of throwaway phrases, the entire article pretty much dismisses the idea that muslims in Australia are being ostracised, regardless of whether some bad apples have provoked this negative perception.

Though the article had some minor merit (albeit with quite a number of flaws), I'm not so sure about the posts in response. On reading the heading I knew the article was going to provoke a stream of grammatically spurious muslim-hating offerings, and reading the first few, I wasn't disappointed.

I do however, give the prize for most one-eyed post, to bigmal, for completely neglecting to mention that some muslims appear to have died at the hands of non-muslims as well.

TRTL

My comment did not exclude the possibilty of there being muslims also being killed. Thats why I used the words "others". If I had wanted to be on eyed, as you so suggest I would have said "non-muslims."

CJ Morgan,

What's your point?

Why did you quoted DAVID WRIGHT-NEVILLE ?? (Quote paraphased)): "Terrorism is a process, people... cross... the alienation threshold... begin to disengage from society and mix in groups... similarly alienated... crossed the violence threshold... and they’ll begin to contemplate killing others..."

You still do not understand. Above proposition is not rocket science. You have not said anything that we DON'T ALREADY KNOW.

I had already addressed that point on "Master of Islamist doublespeak" thread with this comment :-

<<This is only true in the case of followers of Islam, but NOT any other religion. Not Christians, Buddhists; not Hindus or Jews.
When Taliban lorded over Afghanistan, there was no social alienation in Afghanistan, no "ugly non-Muslim", no xenophobic rally, no "Islamophobes", no infidels. But nonetheless we found the worst extremists, fundamentalists right there.>>

Actually DAVID WRIGHT-NEVILLE would confide to you what I said is correct, (that the problem lies with ISLAM itself), but only if he trusts you not to dob him in as a racist, (or as you would call - an Islamophobe).

You failed to respond to my post on "Master of Islamist doublespeak".... So here is another opportunity for you to answer the following question :--

Tell us why, despite an absence of social alienation in Afghanistan under the Taliban, nonethelss we found the worst extremists, fundamentalists right there ??