Yes, we are debating and appreciate that so far i am not banned here. On the other hand, i havent left as well.

Convincing others that my religion is peaceful is my goal. I do not join any forums that attacks others, instead of debates. Bcause attacking is never one of the ways of winning any ones hearts or convincing them. Whether it be muslim sites or other.

Attacking instead of debates i believe was one of the reasons that we have created many religions within one. example is shias and sunnis etcc. within islam. I believe the same is applicable in others as well.

Let us all clean our houses first before asking others. That goes for all religion followers. If i cant do it myself, then what is the use of convincing others. You might notice that i have not given any references to prove myself right. I might not be perfect muslim, but i will try, but at the same time i want my religion to be respected and send a message that what is happening MIGHT be due to some bad apples again, not due to a RELIGION. To me my Prophet is a perfect man, and to you Jesus is a perfect man. let us keep it that way.

Hope you understand. By the way it was good debate and it was good to know that some one does understand even if he is not a part of us.

Cheers.

Refrence to ur article "The red Mosque Saga" u have tried to put the onus of terrorism and extremism on pakistan army,but in fact they are not wholy solely responsible for what is going on inthe country and what had happened in the past."pakistan army" the only institution which has lead the country all the times in hours of peace and war.they have only tried to defend the country's and to protect it from going in to the wrong hands.What they have done in the case of "Red Mosque" tarauma was just under the constitution.
Most importantly how those weapons camein to the capital considered to be the most safest place in the country?is this the failure of the army or security agencies,or local civil authorities?
The administration of the red mosque was plyaing with the lives of 3000 innocent peoples who were unawre of the consequences.the administration must have freed those innocent poeples because the parents of the missing children are still in hope that their children will come out.In order to avoid such type of situations in the future,the peoples of our country need political education so that they can know what their responsibilities are, and what they can do using their powers and their legal rights.
As for as our opinion is concerned pakistan army is not responsible for all these traumas.
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Refrence to ur article "The red Mosque Saga" u have tried to put the onus of terrorism and extremism on pakistan army,but in fact they are not wholy solely responsible for what is going on inthe country and what had happened in the past."pakistan army" the only institution which has lead the country all the times in hours of peace and war.they have only tried to defend the country and to protect it from going in to the wrong hands.What they have done in the case of "Red Mosque" tarauma was just under the constitution.
Most importantly how those weapons camein to the capital considered to be the most safest place in the country?is this the failure of the army or security agencies,or local civil authorities?
The administration of the red mosque was plyaing with the lives of 3000 innocent peoples who were unawre of the consequences.the administration must have freed those innocent poeples because the parents of the missing children are still in hope that their children will come out.In order to avoid such type of situations in the future,the peoples of our country need political education so that they can know what their responsibilities are, and what they can do using their powers and their legal rights.
As for as our opinion is concerned pakistan army is not responsible for all these traumas

Dear Farooq, as you stated your specific_goal is to convince others that your religion_is_peaceful, I feel I have an open door to share with you why I believe it is not.

But b4 I do, let me share with you the reason why a considerable amount of "Islam Bashing" goes on here.

1/ Asking difficult questions, specially those which might reflect poorly on the character of Mohammad are STRICLY not tolerated on forums like 'Muslim Village'.. but.. anti Christian, anti Jewish, anti 'right wing' anti 'left wing' in fact..anti ANYthing is pretty much tolerated on "this" forum.

2/ Due to the 'strict' censorship on Muslim village, the consequences are as follows:
a) Readers or views of the content are limited to a 'sugar coated' ONLY view of Islam, and they are denied full information which may effect their eternal destinies.
b) When people asking curly questions are banned, they will seek other outlets for the same questions.. welcome to my world.....here.

I have just watched a 79 minute video on youtube of Shabir Aly, and they were crowing about how they had destroyed Christianity, and how fearful the Christians were to debate him. Well.. there will be a comprehensive response video in due course about his subject.
After an allout onslaught against our faith, they THEN had the nerve to claim (as you did) that they are not interested in crushing Christianity or the Bible etc..nope.. not at all. duh.

Finally, by actually SAYING "Islam is peaceful" on this forum, you are in reality furthering the same unchallenged propoganda which is sucking in many innocent people. So..it will be challenged here.

I would be interested in YOUR assessment of Surah 9:30 and why Christians and Jews should not make a complaint in the Equal Opportunity Commission (VIC) for religious and racial vilification?
You can add to that the Hadith
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/056.sbt.html

Peaceful ? "Cartoons"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs&mode=related&search=

Notice that moron who said "We will take your wives as war booty"
I offer you "Saffiya" your prophet did this.
As he did,.....these people rage.. same message.

BOAZ,

LOL. Now you got me doing what you all are doing. Meaningless work.
Analyzing information from wrong sites and from wrong people.

The sites everyone in this forum is picking is www.usc.com something which is not even created by a muslim. Below is the right one.

I would be interested in YOUR assessment of Surah 9:30 and why Christians and Jews should not make a complaint in the Equal Opportunity Commission (VIC) for religious and racial vilification?
You can add to that the Hadith
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/056.sbt.html

The real hadith:
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:
On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.
CLEAR MESSAGE THAT HE DID NOT WANT HIS FOLLOWERS TO BUILD A WORSHIPPING PLACE ON HIS GRAVE. HE DID NOT WANT THEM TO START WORSHIPPING HIM.

1/ Asking difficult questions, specially those which might reflect poorly on the character of Mohammad are STRICLY not tolerated on forums like 'Muslim Village'.. but.. anti Christian, anti Jewish, anti 'right wing' anti 'left wing' in fact..anti ANYthing is pretty much tolerated on "this" forum.
Tell me something, by putting up anti Christian remarks, are you expecting Jesus to forgive you; or are you saying Jesus understands that everyone has the right to opinion and disgrace other religions or even your own. And will enter you in paradise. What is it tolerated? If tolerated, is it tolerated by Jesus or his God? Then what is the use of a Judgement day?

Another reason for us to believe, people wasting countless hours just for the purpose of disgracing others, yet with wrong information.

Cheers

Some examples, Boaz?

>>anti Christian, anti Jewish, anti 'right wing' anti 'left wing' in fact..anti ANYthing is pretty much tolerated on "this" forum.<<

Forget the left- and right-wing stuff, that's irrelevant to the argument.

But please, where have you found any "anti-Christian, anti-Jewish" material on this site that comes within a bull's roar of the stuff you place here almost every single day?

Just one. Where is the anti-Christian, anti-Jewish rant that is the equivalent of Kactuz' "So what do you think about your dear prophet saying that killing women and children is OK?... And how about night raids on sleeping villages?... And what about brutal murders of pregnant and old women?... How about a liittle barbaric torture... Or just beating your wife for the heck of it?"

Face it, you are hiding behind self-righteousness, not equivalence.