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What’s good for the Islamic goose is clearly not good for the Catholic gander : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 8/6/2007

Ordinary Catholics have as little say in Cardinal Pell’s appointment or dismissal as ordinary Muslims do in Sheikh Hilali’s.

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'Although I find it hard to believe how can one respect an individual without respecting their faith.'

Fellow-Human, this is not true. People with polar-opposite worldviews can respect eachother and be close friends.

One of my best friends, whom I have known for more than 20 years, is a happy clappy Pentecostal Christian. I consider Pentecostalism to be a complete load of nonsense best explained by basic neurobiology. However, this juxtapostion makes our late night drinking sessions something special as we thrash out some enjoyable metaphysics and the 'meaning of life'.

'None of my comments or interactions on this forum goes beyond clarifying mis-interpretations and merely explain why we believe in what we believe. I never asked someone else to adopt my beliefs or mocked someone else faith.'

Well good for you! But you still need to appreciate that Islam is a complete load of nonsense best explained by basic neurobiology. And I am here to reinforce that fundamental fact.

I'm glad you're on the forum Fellow-Human. You seem like an interesting person.
Posted by TR, Monday, 18 June 2007 8:42:47 PM
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TR,

“But you still need to appreciate that Islam is a complete load of nonsense best explained by basic neurobiology”

Difference is the spice of life. I know that this is your personal view on all religions and I disagree but will defend your right to believe so.

“I'm glad you're on the forum Fellow-Human. You seem like an interesting person”

Thanks, you too. I follow your comments and they are challenging and usually sensible.
btw, I disgaree with your statement ‘science=truth’, science is a median of interpreting phenomenas and facts. It explains how a phenomena work, potential replication and usability but it never explains creates a phenomena and rarely can science explain why its happening. It’s a mean not an end.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:53:03 AM
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Fellow_Human,

Lucky for you that science and truth are incompatible... otherwise it would have been very interesting to watch science try to explain that human beings are formed by a CLOT - and that sperms originate in the ribs (not testicles).

Wasn't the Qur'an the direct word of the Muslim God ‘Allah’? Wasn't he supposed to know a thing or two about biology 101?

>>I disgaree with your statement ‘science=truth’, science is a median of interpreting phenomenas and facts.<<

Back to Hilali. You can't sweep over the fact that he is still preaching Anti-Australian values in his Lakemba mosque and to children in Islamic schools.

You agreed that the man has made inflammatory comments that are unacceptable, derogatory, and dangerous to our national security.

He gas violated every aspect of Australian values and decency - yet you keep him there as if nothing happened.

A few thousand people must love what he says – they still roll the red carpets and shower him with gifts. That to me is clergy ring kissing wouldn’t you say? He is not treated as equal – not one of the crowd.

He looks like clergy, he speaks like clergy, he must be clergy.

How dare you compare that scum of society to the nobility of Cardinal Pell – a highly educated pillar of our Australian society?

What contribution is Hilali making to our society?

What contribution is he making to Sunni Muslims?

He must be doing something right; he must speak the hatred Muslims like to hear – the music to their ears... from your holy book.
Posted by coach, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 1:00:33 PM
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Coach,

Hilali was kicked out as a mufti and a spokesperson. Whatever he is saying now, its his personal views under the freedom of expression act. The same act that allows the ‘Jesus Taliban’ like your hateful mob to incite fear of Islam and Muslims on OLO.

Btw, your claim that “Hilali is preaching to children in Islamic schools” is false. I am not aware of any schools inviting Hilali to preach. Unless you have a proof, can we conclude that this allegation is from the creative voices in your head?

Cardinal Pell was threatening (or at least emotionally blackmailing) Catholic MPs to influence a political decision or merging ‘church and state’. If you can’t see that then please stay in the blessings queue and kiss the ring of the "lord of the rings".

As for your ignorance of the Quran and science, Google Dr Maurice Bucaille on a book called Quran and science. Perhaps you should explain to us why a 14 centuries old scripture clearly mentions that a pregnancy is 6-9 months calendar months. On second thoughts, perhaps you should not read and just keep parroting what you have been told in Sunday school.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 2:52:01 PM
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Coach, Fellow Human, why do you have to snap at each other to the amusement (and satisfaction) of those here, who can understand neither the Christian (in particular Catholic) nor the Muslim world views, both not alternatives but extensions (if properly interpreted) of what contemporary (not 18th century) science has to offer.
Posted by George, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 5:42:09 PM
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Coach,

Would you look at the link I shared with George.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/11-24.htm

It would seem to me that all the interpretaions say two things "the broken body" and more important to the Pell debate, rememberance of Jesus. Jesus, god or human, made a direct command. To me, for religionist [Pell] to run his own agenda is wrong and against the rite laid down by Jesus. My the Cardinal should back to Sunday School.

If a presumed God did instruct humans to perform a rite, it is not the place of an inferior human, Pell, to contravene that instruction for his personal ideology, against the presumably practising Catholic. That alledged god said "give the man water, Pell". But, the political Cardinal would threaten to deny him [Iemma] and not quench his thirst.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 7:07:26 PM
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