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What’s good for the Islamic goose is clearly not good for the Catholic gander : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 8/6/2007

Ordinary Catholics have as little say in Cardinal Pell’s appointment or dismissal as ordinary Muslims do in Sheikh Hilali’s.

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George & Oliver,

Good to read soothing and reasonable comments.
I will take the initiative:

My 'fellow human being' Coach,

Apologies if my last response to you offended you in any way, none intended. I would appreciate it if you put yourself in my shoes and stop mis-representing a faith that it is not yours. Its not an easy time for an average muslim today to be living in Australia and your efforts are not helping neither integration nor harmony.
Peace and best wishes,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 3:26:04 PM
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Fellow Human, I think we could all benefit from your advise to “stop mis-representing a faith that is not ours”. Not only Christians/Catholics and Muslims, but also those who cannot undestand what religion is all about, and in their frustration mis-represent the world view of those they cannot understand.

Although a Catholic myself, I have to admit that I completely agree with the 100 Muslim scholars when they say in their letter to Pope (http://www.islamicamagazine.com/issue18/openletter18_lowres.pdf) that “a great part of the object of interreligious dialogue is to strive to listen to and consider the actual voices of those we are dialoguing with, and not merely those of our own persuasion.” I think this applies to any dialogue involving different world views. I also think the Pope understood, but I wonder how many of those discussing topics related to religion, can, or are willing to, understand this.
Posted by George, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 7:17:14 PM
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Fellow Human, I just thought you might also be interested in this: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0701356.htm.
Posted by George, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 7:22:41 PM
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George and Fellow-Human,

No-one wants misrepresentation. That said, the religions can be as objectivity studied as the refraction of light. Herein, the observer is justified in making tentitive posits based on observations and forensic evidence. It always good to maintain a null hythothesis to one's positive heuristic. That is why even Dawkins [like me]is only a 6.5 out of 7.0 atheist. Absolutism and belief in one'd infallibility is not on for me, religionist and atheist, alike.

Christianity was developed from before events. Islam was constructed
with a knowledge of the prophetic religions and to unify the Arabs. Both ultimately owe a debt to the OT [Abraham, Moses].
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 8:46:49 PM
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'As for your ignorance of the Quran and science, Google Dr Maurice Bucaille on a book called Quran and science. Perhaps you should explain to us why a 14 centuries old scripture clearly mentions that a pregnancy is 6-9 months calendar months.'

Fellow-Human, I've got Dr Maurice Bucaille's book on my shelf. Ironically, after reading it I decided that there is NO modern science in the Koran.

Indeed, the verses he used from the Koran to 'prove' the supernatural origins of the Koran reminded me of the daily Horoscope in the newspaper.

Like the Horoscope the Koranic verses cited are so broad and wishy-washy that you can make up just about any interpretation you like. Which of course is what Horoscope readers and Dr Buccaille do.

And let's face reality. Your observation that pregnancy takes '6-9 calendar months' according to the Koran is not exactly cutting edge obstetrics. Is it?
Posted by TR, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 9:16:36 PM
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George,

Thanks very much for the links I visited the site and its quiet good.
There is much we can learn from each other.

Oliver,

Thanks for that, truth is a personal conviction, we can only dialogue and communicate to have a better future and a better world.

TR,

Dr Bucaille’s book was an attempt to scrutinise and compare a number of scriptures to science and the Quran was the closest. Among others, defining boundaries for human pregnancy between 6 to 9 months, that the earth is round, that light only exists in the lower hemisphere, that feeling is only on the outer layer of the skin, that the sun moves, that time is relative, that space is actually a substance, etc..you will probably agree its impressive for an illiterate monk wondering the Arabian desert 14 centuries ago to come up with all of that.

"after reading it I decided that there is NO modern science in the Koran"

lol, well thats why you are not a muslim and I am :-)
As previousley said: I totally disagree with your opinion but I will defend to death your right to it :-)
I wasn't always a muslim btw.

Peace my friend,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 9:44:47 PM
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