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Ali is pop star of intolerance : Comments

By Greg Barns, published 4/6/2007

The media should stop lauding Ayaan Hirsi Ali: she makes life more difficult for Muslims wherever she goes.

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Danielle,

You quoted “Just a glance at modern Arab history. In the 1940’s, being Jewish was outlawed in a number of Arab states. When these laws were introduced, 800,000 Jews were not only expelled from their homes, but also dispossessed of everything they owned”

I am aware of arab history and these actions were political 1940 conducted by Arab leaders at the time in retaliation to Palestine and was widely supported by Arab Christians by the way. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a land conflict and not religious. If it was, why the jews lived peacefully amongst Muslims until the 1940-1950s then?

I live in Egypt and traveled across Sudan. the Darfur conflict in one sentence is this: 7 starving poor tribes living across 2 countries when they suddenly realised they are sitting on one of the world's largest natural gas reserves. They are fighting for wealth, the 2 governments are fighting to kick them out, oil cartels are involved. Its about wealth and oil.
Whats ‘religious’ about that?

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:32:40 AM
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What's religious? Jerusalem for starters.

Muslims believe somehow that they have a religious right to it because of one of their prophet hallucination... he was allegedly (by him) transported in his dream of course to the site of the historical Jewish temple - So his followers built the Aqsa Mosque to mark the site for the world to see that the land is now Islamic.

Yes Muslims keep some Churches and Synagogues but it is more for superstitious reasons than humanitarian or religious respect.

What baffles me is how can a tiny little nation like Israel remain unbeatable by the millions of blood thirsty Arabs surrounding her. Answer: God’s protection. Israel is to exist until Jesus returns in His full glory to judge the world - including all false prophets, false gods, and false religions.
Posted by coach, Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:57:20 AM
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What irks me most of all is that those disagreeing with her aren't disagreeing with her comments, they are desperately grasping at straws in other areas, i.e, she lied on her form to get into Europe, and so on.

This is because they too, know that she speaks logic, truth, which is why she can never be silenced.

To those of you who, in this day and age especially, are so naive you think Islam like Christianity, you need to have reality smacked into you.

For starters, Islamic texts themselves paint Mohammed as a paedophile, murderer, brutal man, nothing like Jesus. Go read about him, and no, not the Karen Armstrong western guilt for imperialism angle, but read sacred Islamic sources.

Your local mosque should be able to point you there, or better still, if in English, just listen to a sermon or two yourself.
Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 7 June 2007 12:50:02 PM
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How about the recent case of the Malay woman, Lina Joy, who was not allowed to change her religion on her 'identity card'. Malaysia is merely 60% muslim yet the civil court still had to give way to the sharia court which then duly arrived at this unsavoury verdict despite, yes despite, the oft-quoted stattement that in Islam, there is no compulsion in religion.

Saudi Arabian religious ideology is infecting SE Asia and it threatens the multiple ways of life and peoples that exist there. (http://www.monsterblog.com.my/tag/lina-joy)

& Speaking of Saudi Arabia:

"In Saudi Arabia, a view from behind the veil"
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-women6jun06,1,6178058,full.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage&ctrack=1&cset=true

What can you conclude after reading yet another story like this. That Ali is exaggerating? That she is wrong to criticise? Hardly..no one concludes that right here in muslim heartland - the home of Mecca and Medina forsooth, Islam endorses APARTHEID.

Yuck. This sexually repressed, separatist belief system will not survive the moral scrutiny of this century.
Posted by Ro, Thursday, 7 June 2007 4:56:47 PM
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I also meant to post a link to this from last month to show, just as Ali shows over and over again, that Islamic values directly involve men ruling over women in a ridiculously patronising and revolting manner. Yuck, do they have no shame these people?

"Dr. Sleiman Al-'Eid, head of the Islamic culture department at King Saud University: Driving will lead women to leave their homes a lot, whether they need to or not. In principle, women should stay at home, as everybody knows.

In addition, this might lead women to wear make-up and uncover their faces. Even if you say that women will drive covered by a niqab, or dressed modestly, and so on, this will gradually lead her to uncover her face. This will also encourage her to be disobedient. There is no doubt that women will eventually be photographed, and these photos will be shown to other people – whether the traffic police or other who need to look at these photos, for identification or nay other purpose. This will lead women to mix with men.

Another consequence of this will be the diminishing of men's guardianship over women. If a women drives, she will have a certain degree of independence, and she will come and go, travel, and so on. This will also lead to an increase in suspicions. When she has her own car, she will go out and return late."

http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1475 (driving)
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1466 (circumcision)
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1442 (childhood education)

http://memritv.org/Favorites.asp# (to watch the videos)
Posted by Ro, Thursday, 7 June 2007 5:19:43 PM
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Coach,

You appear to insist on turning every political opinion into religion. Also, if you have no respect for the Islamic faith why you are so hot under the collar if some of them disrespect your faith. Hate and fear is a self fulfilling prophecy.
As for your ‘Israel is to exist until Jesus returns in His full glory to judge the world’
What a coincidence, Muslims too believe in Jesus second coming. So why do you hate them so much?

Benjamin,

Islam as Muslims learn it and practice it promote good human and social values.
Here is a link www.readingislam.com.
The site includes a Q&A section and many stories for westerners who chose Islam.

Ro,

Its a known fact that Saudi Wahabbism is conservative and not main stream (practising wahhabism are around 10 millions worldwide of 1.5 Billion Muslims, making them less than 1% of total Muslims).
You are free to keep quoting their articles but its dishonest to call them a majority.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Thursday, 7 June 2007 5:27:21 PM
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