Meg1: "CJMorgan, (whose contemptuous, unimaginative, verbal diarrhoea indicates unquestionably whose ‘disciple’ he is…)"

Verbal diarrhoea? Until this point, I'd written 37 words in this thread, while the parrot-loving Meg's written hundreds. While Gloria's cheerleader may spend an inordinate amount of time listening to the rabble-rousing closet queen, I wonder if she's read "Jonestown"? I have.

Has Meg1 read this damning report?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/jones-incited-cronulla-violence-on-air/2007/04/10/1175971098057.html

Whose disciple am I "unquestionably", Meg1? I'd dearly love to know.

ACMA.Quote;"By referring to Lebanese gangs/Middle Eastern people on one hand and Australians on the other[Jones]implied that the first two were not Australian."Well I have news for the ACMA,many in thse catagories do not consider themselves to be Ausralian.They are Muslim first,Lebanese/Middle Eastern second and maybe Australian third.

We constantly want to shoot the messenger and blame Anglo Australians for religious/racial frictions that are not of our making.Instead of arresting the real instigators of this conflict,the police have taken all the easy options and arrested those who were the esay targets.

The reality is that the police force are to too scared to take on these Middle Eastern gangs becasue they are too numerous and extremely violent.There are many eyewitness accounts of police and these gangs being involved in standoffs.There were no gangs of Anglos destroying property at Bankstown simply because they would face too many weapons and that is not generally the nature of our culture.

Arjay, the whole 'muslim first, Australian second' argument gets trotted out quite frequently.

I wonder though - if you asked a reasonably devoted christian to give up their citizenship or faith, which would they give up first?

I suppose I can understand some people wanting to take a line accusing muslims of being troublemakers. I don't agree with it, and I certainly don't think it has much merit, but I can see the people putting forward that argument.

But I can't understand this 'be Australian first' rot - it's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

And Meg - the article's largely about the ACMA ruling on Jones's comment - that's why I said 'tangentially related to muslims.'

What say you about adhering to the ACMA ruling - this is what I said when I referred to you arguing Jones is above the law - the ACMA ruling, is in theory, the word of law. You don't seem to set much stock by it. So, are you arguing that Jones is above this ACMA ruling? Do you feel that government representatives should be supporting the ACMA ruling? Do you think there should be media oversight?
If media oversight doesn't apply to somebody impying bikies should be out there beating up lebanese troublemakers, pray tell, where should it?

I think this is one more example of left politics manufacturing criminals out of right political foes. Alan Jones may have some following as a shock jock of sorts but hardly the leader of any reformation of conservative think in Australia. No matter the hype by the left or Jones own club members. Jones probably hates it but, conversely, now he's part of the victim club. The left will have to listen to him now. :-)
Ya gotta love politics and political correctness.

Peace

Irfan, I basically agree with your article, and its exposure of the pissant corruption that keeps Alan Jones in place (for the time being). But, I think you are disingenuous when you say your article is not really inviting the discussion it has given rise to. You know where the buttons are.

Nebut, I know Islam had a heyday - as the US has just about had its - but what's the relevance of that now? Even if we say its decline is tragic, because it was once culturally and intellectually impressive, I don't see how that helps non-Muslims feel any more relaxed about having in their midst a subculture that doesn't seem (so far as I can tell) to want to get along. In fact, a subculture that seems determined not to get along. If I'm wrong in my impression, I'm sorry, but I need to see a lot more evidence of Australian Muslims distancing themselves from the scary bits.

Pax,

There has been a concerted effort by the forces of the left in our society to destroy Alan Jones.He is not always pure and right,however this campaign smacks of gestapo tactics that the Third Richt would roundly approve.

It is alright for Hilali to refer to Anglos as exposed meat that deserved to be raped by the whim of passing Muslim passion,but not for Alan Jones to show passion on the spur of the moment that abhors such attitudes?

In trying to appease these facist aggressors,we are losing our own freedoms.Just read between the lines of everything that Irfan Usef writes.It is all double speak.