Personally I am quite happy that Hilali be allowed to continue to comeout with his pronouncements. Each time he does he reminds me how ignorant, bigoted and chauvinist radical Islam actually is - not much different to Australian Rules Football really.

Hello Goodthief,

I had many interactions re the need for reforms and there are many activities in this field including here in australia (DR Ibrahim A. Muhammed). There are a number of avenues in my view re reforms:

1. The way imams preach, should focus on positive constructive Islam that lead the world in innovation, science and medicine.

2. Spread the proper science of islamic education through al azhar and other credible bodies rather than leaving it to politically motivated organisations.

3. Not to preach salafi material except within a historical context. For example, pope urban II material is still taught today in churches even though the man incited violence against the muslim world. But its taught within a historical context of 'what not to do today'.

Peace,

Ur Welcome Goodthief, and even if /when you decide to 'rip into' my views, ur still welcome :)

Netab! wow.. ur sounding like a veteran already mate.. 50 posts:) well done.

F.H. The most interesting aspect of your last post, was that it is a 'view'. If all muslims shared your approach I'm sure there would never have been a 9/11 or the list of other atrocities perpetrated in the name of Allah by whacko's.

Glad you read the Bible to your children. Psalm 1 is a good read :)
Check out this site FH. http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/
I'm sure they would value your comments there. Irf is already barking at the gates.

We need a Hilali to prove what most of us are saying.

Thank you David, I appreciate your input and politeness; its difficult to find in a free fire zone such as this forum. Having said that, I only have one complaint and that is the quality of christian lamb being served up for the pagan entertainment is dropping. Could you speak to the divine chef about it?

Cheers mate.

Boaz: Oops

Fellow Human: I assumed something of this kind was happening, but is it enough and soon enough? It's pretty urgent, as things are getting out of hand. More important, it needs to be pervasive and also visible.

Is the "positive constructive Islam" you speak of mainstream or eccentric and marginal? I sometimes wonder just how distorted the intel we get from the media is. My impression is that the media is telling the truth, but just the interesting negative truth.

My next question - whether for you, or anyone else in a position to illuminate - is how influential the positive contructive Muslims are over the others. After all, 90% nice is nice, but 10% armed to the teeth and furious is still pretty scary.

And the aspiration towards world leadership (even in matters of technology etc) is not very comforting: perhaps that could be put on the backburner. Peaceful world cohabitation would suffice in the medium term.

Goodthief,

The positive constructive Islam is what the majority teach and live by.
My concern from travelling is I don't see a coordinated plan in the first line of defence (the arab and muslim countries that is) to curb the mis-interpretations and radicalism. It seems to be a mix of volunteer or police work which can bring bad results.

Boaz,

I browsed the site you mentioned hoping for something new but turned up another 'me too'! Not sure what brought sep 11 into the conversation: are you suggesting radical islamist started on sep 11?
radical islam have been targeting other mulsims decades before sep 11 (assasination of president sadat in 81, the head of pariement mid 80's, etc..).