Boaz, I have been waiting for an apology, but as it looks as though one is not forthcoming voluntarily, I thought I'd prompt you a little.

In an earlier post, you made the snide aside:

>>The virginia Uni massacre.. done by a Muslim? "Ismail X"<<

As I noted, your insinuation had the desired effect, with one of your acolytes, Arjay, immediately assuming that the sad killer's religion was now a matter of fact:

"Cho Seung Ho's Ming was probably very disturbed way before he discovered Islam.Islam was probably the catalyst that justified his hate spurred on by isolationism and feeling inferior."

If you had waited only a short while before leaping to the offensive (in both senses of the word) conclusion that this was an act of Islamic terrorism, you would have been able to read the sad twisted soul's own words, from his suicide note:

"You have vandalised my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenceless people."

Does that sound in any way Islamic to you?

The problem with rabble-rousing is that it becomes second nature. A knee-jerk reaction.

Some trouble in the world? Blame it on [the Jews/Muslims/USA/Howard government]. Someone does something evil? Must be a [Jew/Muslim/American/Howard supporter].

I have said it before and I'll say it again. In fact, I'll keep saying it until you either mend your rabble-rousing ways or leave the forum with your tail between your legs.

Be aware of the hatred you generate with your words, thoughts and deeds. Yours is easily as great a contribution to religion-based antagonism as that of the topic of this thread, Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali.

So, do we get an apology, as your first step along the road to redemption?

Have a great day.

Fellow Human: Thanks. I'm keeping my eyes open for opportunities to participate in constructive interaction between Muslims and the general population - "interfaith" discussions, whatever - in Melbourne. Any pointers appreciated. I've tried the Islamic Council of Victoria, but no sign of life yet. This is not a positive interest in Islam itself, but just a contribution to a less fractious rapport between Aus Muslims and the rest, including Aus Xians like me.

Pax,

Quite so, Pericles. I'm afraid our old mate Boazy has quite definitely overstepped the mark here - even by his usual lamentable standards:

Boazy: 'The virginia Uni massacre.. done by a Muslim? "Ismail X"'

For such shameful dog-whistling a retraction and apology is surely in order. As for those who so readily respond to the dog-whistle, I'm not all that sure they have the intelligence to comprehend just how ridiculous they are.

Any one reading my books might just think that Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali is a saint, at least those of the Muslim-phobia brigade. All right I am not a Muslim, or for that matter an Arab, but what Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali is about is to me just the tip of the iceberg so to say of what really is wrong, but those blinded by their own tunnel vision or simply to ignorant to realise it can do no better but to pursue this man.
Leave the man alone and you might just find less disturbing issues.
Concentrate on what is really wrong in our society.
Forget about religion, as it is whatever you may belief in but do not force it down the throat of others.
If religion was so good, why is G. W. Bush claiming GOD told him to invade Iraq? Is his GOD so evil wanting to have so many innocent people not just harmed but even killed? We would all be better of if religious zealot keep their religion for themselves and do not pursue some war in all kind of manners.
History tell us the numerous religious atrocities committed. And yet, we seem not to have learned.
As I explained to my wife, she has her religion (and she support selectively the death penalty) and I do not practice religion (and oppose any death penalty) and we keep it for ourselves.
Just keep in mind that if you dislike Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali then you are only doing it to yourself as more then likely the man could not care less about it.
Next topic please.

Something is argued about the damage Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali is to Australia, well I invite anyone to check out my My blog at http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ijpxwMQ4dbXm0BMADq1lv8AYHknTV_QH. and my website http://www.schorel-hlavka.com and become aware what politicians and judges have done to our constitution and civil rights.
They managed to substitute out constitution in 1986 and who argues about this?
The rob Australians of their rights to enter in a contract they desire and constitutionally entitled upon, to pursue WorkChoices.
Lets make clear religion doesn’t belong in politics and the Framers of the Constitution specifically make this an issue. Remember the song “Shut up your face”? Well that is what all those religious zealots should do. Everyone can have their own religion in privacy as long as they do not shove it down our throats.
John Howard and his cohorts should also stop using religion for political purposes as it conflicts with Section 116 of the Constitution.
We should be more tolerant to others, and if anyone goes out of bounds in their own good belief then lets be tolerant and not condemn the person as if we are all better. We all have our errors and many others might be too pleased to point them out if it wasn’t for that they may not wish to upset us.
Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali doesn’t cause me any problems and he doesn’t worry me. I am more concerned about the darn politicians robbing our “civil rights” bit by bit and stirring up religious conflicts such as that the Muslims should vote Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali out of his position.
Even to contemplate to strip a person of his nationality shows the sheer ignorance to what the Constitution stands for and only can be pursued by those ignorant to the rights of others. During WWII it were the communist and if we had to accept the then government reasoning then there was a communist under every bed. Now it are the Muslims and who will be next?
I can notice those “sheep”, learn to think for yourself! You might just find it a worthwhile experience.

Fellow_Human,

You read the Bible (so you say) but you are teaching your children the Qur’an. I find that hypocritical – why do you deprive your children of the source of God's revelation and truth on which your Qur’an is supposedly based on?

Islam reform will not happen simply because it can’t happen. Muslims and their scholars truly believe what is written in their Qur’an was the actual replica of the original Qur’an written in Allah' land (7th heaven) – dictated to their prophet Mohammad.

Therefore any change to the reconstituted earthly text is an insult to the divine words of Allah.

So it is NOT a matter of interpretation or misguidance that constitutes the problem for Muslims – but the text itself. What is written is written - thet are stuck with it. Allah knows best.

The only way Islam could reform is by questioning the source of their text and the reliability of their prophet. And this FH is what I was suggesting before that only people like outside Islam could do this for Islam. You don’t qualify: a Muslim cannot question their religion - you don't have the guts or the rights to speak up.

Unless of course you continue to publicly admit that there are no problems with Islam and secretly close your eyes to it all.

But it seems to us that you want to ascribe to a better teachings of Islam and duck all the bad teachings. That requires dishonesty and wishful thinking on your part.

And if you succeed in creating an imaginery new Islam, what about the other 1.2 billion suckers who still absorb and apply the Qur'anic teachings without questioning?

So what hope does the rest of the free world has if Islam cannot and will not reform?

Terrorism is just a means to an end. Islam‘s systematic global assault, the total Islamisation of all places and people on earth is a noble goal of Allah’s Islam.

Deny this and you’re not a Muslim.