Dear F.H.
I would never dispute those things you mentioned about some kind of 'religous/church' connection. You know full well that what masses of people do, hinges as much on the social climate of the day, and there are similarities between Cronulla/Shock Jocks and Rwanda/Radio stations. The only difference was we didn't zoom up to Lakemba and slaughter all the Muslims.

But those events have nothing to do with what I'm speaking of.
I'm going to the absolute root/core/central foundation of your religion, and I'm showing that it curses me and every Christian and Jew by name. To make a comparison to counter this, you would have to demonstrate where Jesus did a similar thing, or his Apostles also did it based on the clear understanding of what Jesus meant.

Lets take an example.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household ...Mat 10:34

Now.. in the light of Jesus own actions, and his willingness to suffer for your sin and mine, his lack of violence, lack of retaliation, etc..and his rebuke of Peter who tried to defend him with a sword... it all adds up to a conclusion that Jesus was speaking of violence done TO peaceful Christians by others. He 'brought' a sword by proclaiming the Gospel which divided families and communities.

I urge you to look to Him.. as Savior F.H. it was in 'someones' interests to describe Him as merely a 'prophet' and to warn people against adding 'partners' to God. But the truth- His words and deeds remain.

>>You owe BOAZ an apology. His post wasn't a blatant lie. 2004 estimates 2 million Muslims in London.<<

>>Thanx Aqvar. Pericles, delete the word 'young' and it seems to hold fairly well. Source:Daniel Pipes.<<

No apology, I'm afraid, because the numbers you are using are in error. If you rely for your information on an American neo-conservative who makes a living from propagating anti-Muslim sentiments, you must expect to get rubbish. He spouts propaganda, nothing more, nothing less. His efforts as a statistician are, therefore, as reliable as you would expect from any rabble-rouser.

The current edition of The Economist places the total British Muslim population at 1.6 million.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8629539

Whom do you believe? I know which source gets my vote.

Statistically, less than half of Britain's immigrant population lives in London, so I suspect that Pipes' "2 million Muslims in London" would be an exaggeration by at least a factor of three.

And let me remind you again of your assertion, Boaz:

>>The current polling suggests 50% of UK muslim youth want to live under Sharia Law. That probably represents over a million people<<

Do your sums again, Boaz, and you will understand why I consider this statement to be incontinent and inflammatory.

So, do I get an apology? Or just another batch of Boaz bluster?

To Boaz David and to all the other Religious Fundamentalists ,

All this "good" work crushing different Religions and killing each other; and all in the Cause of making sure of a seat on the
the bus to Heaven, to live in peace for Eternity??

Fat chance .

IF God exists, he's not that stupid.

I suggest His drafting gate may well produce a fair few very unwelcome surprises .

Or maybe He will simply cancel everyone's various membership cards , give another sigh , and let us all in .

Sleep well, Kartiya.

BOAZ_David gave a wonderful piece of valuable information about the intention of the "scholars" of Islam to kill anyone who questions or criticises etc their founder.
He recommends reading http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec1.htm
and the following webpage.
You might find historical parallels on a webpage you can find with a search engine submit/subtexts.htm
Also someone suggested reading http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm and
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm
Might I also suggest that large parts of the Hebrew Scriptures are no help to civilised behaviour. Read the first seven books, and ask yourself if the Deity portrayed there is anything like Jesus seeking the lost sheep, blessing the children, and teaching the people.
Why do the Christian Churches keep pretending that the Jesus religion is a continuation of the YHWA (Yahweh) faith, with its killings of animals and calls to attack other peoples?
Meanwhile, look to see if other scriptures are a continuation of the worst teachings in those older scriptures.

Pericles, You have your own axe to grind and so too does "The Economist", it isn't BOAZ only. And you are completely in error of your understanding of Daniel Pipes. He isn't anti-Islam, he like my self, and many others are anti-militant Islam. Daniel Pipes defends the religion of Islam but, does not want the government of Islam. Too bad you apologist don't understand the difference. Perhaps you will. One day too late.

From your Economist.
A new survey for Policy Exchange, a think-tank, finds young British Muslims value symbols of their Muslim identity—the veil, for example, and sharia law—more than older ones and say they have less in common with non-Muslims than their parents do.

Hmmm. 2 million or 1.6 million. It seems you win on the math providing your source is absolutely correct and there is no margin for error. However you loose in the context of the point BOAZ was trying to make. Even your Economist backs him up.

I read 2 differing reports of Hindu population in Britain. One gave a number of 366,000, the other, 800,000. Makes one wonder about the veracity of your 400,000 difference.

In a report on BBC it is said that the UK is now the number one country for Muslim Immigration in the world. I wonder how many Muslim illegals have made it their unofficial home?

Boaz,

It’s a different point all together and I think you are mis-interpreting or looking at one part. Here is a sample of what the Quran says about Jesus (pbuh)

"We bestowed favor upon him, and we made him an example for the Children of Israel." "Behold! God said: 'O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to myself."' "Behold! The angels said: 'O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to God."'

There is no difference between Muslims and early Christians faith (the pre-Trinity Christians). Or today’s Christians who believe in Jesus but reject the Trinity.

The references you quoted are Islam’s position on the Trinity which in essence is no different to what’s in the Bible or the Torah. Its not secret and we make no apologies that islam rejects any theology that create images of a God or relate sons or the likes to him.

The same goes for the jewish faith: Islam follows the Mosaic law and Moses is another glorified prophet in Islam. The Quran criticise 'some' of the Jews who do not follow the Mosaic law or Moses spiritual teachings.

As for living together, Christians and Jews lived together in majority Muslim countries for the last 14 centuries. I would refer you to the work of an arab Christian historian like Dr Milad Hanna.

I hope I was able to clarify,

Peace,

T