Boaz,

My point was simply muslim youth need to be educated 'properly' similar to the model adopted in the US. The issue now of what is reaching them through Aussie media is either weirdos like Sheikh Fayez, Ex-Muslims like Irshad Manji or attempts to lure them into another faith. No offence Boaz but you are part of the problem and not the solution.

I think if we are serious about it we should give more mind and media space to new Aussie Muslim scholars and there are many good ones. The idea of giving 'pages' of the un-'australian' newspaper to Sheikh Fayez comments is irritating to all Australians commencing with Australian Muslims.

Peace,

T

Well bring it on Fellow Human.I want Habib and Hilali to stand for election so we can see how many lunatic fringe dwellers exist here.I bet there will be a lot more than the one or two percent of Muslims that many allude to.

my my, defending the poor peace loving, community - enhancing moon worshippers yet again, how ultimately unhelpful. What the heck, I'm converted. Let's all don fake beards, stick a few old sacks on the missus, and proclaim 'hug a Jihad day' every Jan 26th (just so we don't offend anyone). Oh, and let's get rid of that 'dog' of a flag and get some crescents on there instead. Allllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh Aaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkbbbbbaaaaaahhhhhhh!

Fellow_Human,

How was your trip? I hope you had an enjoyable holiday.

Why are you calling Sheikh Fayez and others weirdos? My understanding is they are simply quoting passages from the Qur’an. Jews being pigs and apes, kill all kafirs etc…

How could a “new Aussie Muslim Scholar” speak any different? How would they sugar coat a word like “killing” for example?

One of the problems with Islam is its insistence that it is a religion when we all see that the Political aspect is so primordial and predominant – it goes back to your prophet Mohammad and his push to conquer Arabia in his short but bloody military career.

It’s unfortunate for you (Muslims) that you cannot change the nature of your “Ideology” called Islam. You must press on with the aggressiveness nature set by Mohammad and his disciples. Anyone who soften the approach is labelled a non- or ex- Muslim.

Also what with the “Moderates”? Who invented this label anyway?

For me if one is a Muslim he/she must follow Islamic law to the letter. If not he/she is a false Muslim. One cannot be partial or nominal Muslim.

To be a Muslim is to take part in Jihad (in all its forms)... like you preach daily in your Mosques (we got proof). When sometimes a phrase leaks to the media, you label the speaker "radical" or "un-islamic".

So how can we trust any of you when we know the reality of your so called religion is to transform all the world to Islam?

The only reason you want to prolong the dialogues is to gain more momentum and reach the necessary numbers to impose yourselves on us.

F.H. I doubt I would be part of the 'problem' as you put it, if I didn't find such things as this in the Quran

"Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them"
(Surah 9:30)

Now.. I suggest to you that 'that' is the problem :) You conclude your post with 'peace' but your book is contrary..I'm Christian, and I believe with all my heart that Jesus is God the Son, Son of God, and your book specifically singles me and all those of my faith out and calls on Allah to curse us and fight us and destroy us..BY NAME :)

Now.. this probably could be written off as just some religious kink if it were not for the fact that Mohammed also curses Christians and Jews on his death bed... (hadith Bukhari Vol 4 book 56 number 660)

So, we have convincing evidence from A) Quran B) Hadith that we are the scum of the earth who Allah must destroy ... *ouch*.

If these passages were based on something diabolical like "Christians each little Children, may Allah destroy them" I could likely agree 100% but the reality is, it connects Allah destroying us with a fundamental and unchangable aspect of faith "Belief that Christ is the Son of God" so.. there is nothing to 'contextualize' or 'interpret'..it's as clear as date palm in a desert mate.

The problem is further exacerbated by the likes of Omar Brooks (Aka Abu Izzadeen) in UK and Fayz from Australia. Hilayli is just a cuddly joke :)
But THIS bloke is a danger.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/17/warwithin.overview/index.html

The best part about Izzadeen is that he is a PAUL prior to meeting the Risen Christ on the road to Damascus. Glory to God :

On election day in NSW we will understand how many from within this comunity do not think devision is wrong.
This comunity is not ever going to blend in and future deaths and pain lay at the feet of those who do not act against the worst of them now.