Pericles

I am not as much bigoted as you are stupid. I have not made the points, just asked that it be rebutted by a Islamic scholars as demonstration of their skill and willingness to have an open discussion as to the provenance of their Holy Book. The fact that the author said that he will also do an assessment on the bible, and thus far hasnt done so is irrelevant. The claims he makes about the Koran should be debated on their merits.

If what Smith says is a crock then let it be shown. For my part I have no view on Smiths work,other than it certainly raises many many issues. I am certainly nor prepared to waste my time doing an analysis of either the Bible or Koran, but I do notice that whereas the Bible and Jewish texts have been subjected to open scrutiny over many centuries,the same is cannot be said of the Koran.

After all that is consistent with this OLO authors premise.

Pericles,
You owe BOAZ an apology. His post wasn't a blatant lie.
2004 estimates 2 million Muslims in London.

Muslim or British: Polling indicates that a majority of Muslims perceive a conflict between their British and Muslim identities. Two polls show that only a small proportion identifies itself first as a British (7% and 12%), but they differ widely on the number who identify first with their religion (81% and 46%).

Implementing Islamic law: Muslims widely state that Shariah should reign in Britain. Forty percent approve of Shariah being applied in predominantly Muslim areas, and 61% want Shariah courts to settle civil cases among Muslims. All of 58% want those who criticize or insult Islam to face criminal prosecution. Schools should be prohibited from banning female pupils from wearing the hijab, say 55%, while 88% insist that schools and work places should accommodate Muslim prayer times.

Integration into Britain: In a nearly mirror-image of each other, 65% say Muslims need to do more to integrate into mainstream British culture, and 36% say modern British values threaten the Islamic way of life. Twenty-seven percent feel conflicted between loyalty to fellow Muslims and to Britain. Of those who despise Western civilization and think Muslims "should seek to bring it to an end," 32% endorse nonviolent means and 7% violent means.

Attitudes toward Jews: Polls confirm that the antisemitism widespread in the Muslim world also rears its head in Britain. About half the Muslims polled believe that Jews in Britain have too much influence over Britain's foreign policy and are in league with the Freemasons to control its press and politics. Some 37% consider Jews in Britain "legitimate targets as part of the ongoing struggle for justice in the Middle East," and 16% state that suicide bombings can be justified in Israel. (Among 18- to 24-year-olds, that number rises to 21%.)

In sum, more than half of British Muslims want Islamic law and 5% endorse violence to achieve that end. These results demonstrate that Britain's potential terrorists live in a highly nurturing community.

Thanx Aqvar.
Pericles, delete the word 'young' and it seems to hold fairly well.
Source:Daniel Pipes.

F.H. 'respect each others religion' ? c'mon mate.. how can I respect a faith which curses me and every member of my mob and "calls" down the wrath of Allah on me because of my core beliefs ?

By the way, your post does not address directly to the issue of 'May Allah fight them, curse them, destroy them'

All I can do is give the Christian response. "The Son of man came not to be served, but to serve and give His life as a ransom for many" and that includes you.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

"It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick"

Quran
3:31 Proclaim: "If you love GOD, you should follow me." GOD will then love you, and forgive your sins. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
3:32 Proclaim: "You shall obey GOD and the messenger." If they turn away, GOD does not love the disbelievers.

Here man is advised to follow/obey/emulate the 'Messenger'..Mohammed.

Mohammeds Mercy.
Yep, I can see myself at Khaibar standing over the headless corpse of Kinana Chief of the Jews who I just ordered killed (because if he was alive, I cannot take his beautiful wife for myself) while his wife and her cousin are brought (past them) to me, and I 'generously' reach out my hand of love and affection to Safiyya Bint Huyayy (whos beauty was mentioned to Mohammed by others) and inform her that now I am taking her as my latest wife. (having previously kiled her father) But hey, she had 3 days to emotionally recover from this trauma and then 'fall in love' with her husband and fathers killer and happily accept him invading her body.

The mental gymnastics it takes to 'rationalize' that action alone, is beyond my comprehension.
Show me a Muslim leader who will criticize/condemn this, and I will show you an honorable man.

Muslim academics can't really oppose force being used to turn over the host societies. A crash course on the Koran and the Hadith is at
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/submit/koranhadith.htm
and I recommend people remove their blinkers and check the ayas (verses) on the Internet and at their public library.

Quietly meditate on the various thoughts, and look up more for yourself!
- John, of Perth

Boaz,

There is similar material in your books used by Pope Urban II, Hitler and recently in Rwanda where a 94% followers of your faith massacred 800,000 Tutsies.

Its really naive to condition the acceptance of others based on what they beleive in. I can disagree with the content of your faith but will defend your right to worship. There is no 'good' or 'bad' religions but there is good and bad people and ways of interpretation. There are violent hindus and buddhists and the most blood spilled in history was in Jesus' name.

Peace,

T

For those who still doubt the real intensions of Islam on this planet.

Listen to Hizb el-Tahrir latest Kaliphate Conference in Sydney

http://www.zshare.net/audio/ht-khilafah-conference-28-1-07-mp3.html