CJ Morgan, Regardless of my incidental misspelling of “pidgin”,

you made a absolute statement “Col, there is no such English word as "pidgeon".”

Clearly your “absolute” statement stands corrected, if I can instantly go and produce two separate references to “Pidgeon” (2 from among 1.6 million).

Before bothering to prevaricate about my need for a dictionary, you should first look to your own shortcomings and be guided by your own favoured quotation

“people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.”

I would further observe, you continue to “sweat the small”.

MichaelK until you find someone to translate your deranged verbiage into English, my previous comment stands . .

“whatever”

No further comment is appropriate when I (for one among many), whilst recognising the individual combinations of letters and the words they form, is at a completely lost as to there syntax.

C.J. -my next fanciful rationalisation.

You are quite right, Muslims are indeed killing each other. But this is only from 'our' perspective. From theirs they are not killing "Muslims" most Sunni's don't seem to regard Shia as "Muslims" and quite possibly Kurds but I cannot speak with great confidence on that particular point.

This morning on ABC I heard about Fatah and Hamas... when referring to a Fatah planning meeting, the reporter said "You could barely breath their was so much smoke from chainsmoking fatah functionaries"

Now that alone should be enough to signify that they are not obedient Muslims, and are more likely Socialists/Communist in their outlook, which means Hamas are not killing "Muslims" in their view.

Finally, when a Muslim is asked if he will defend or even kill an invading Muslim, he will interpret this in terms of his own group.

Also, you must try to differentiate between advocating a sensible social/immigration policy and racial/religious bigotry. I know this will be hard for you, as you seem to be a bit blinkered in this area, you would probably even call a multi racial demo 'One Nation One Race' as 'white supremacist' even though most of the people under such a banner are of various ethnicities.

C.J. I wonder, have you seen the degree of hate present in some of the Youtube compilations of Islamists ? I'll concede you one point, I saw the same 'look' in the face of one of the white cronulla rioters beating up a Leb. Its primal and damn scary. While in the case of white Aussies, it takes quite a bit to unleash this kind of thing, Islam by nature tends to bring it out on a much more widely because it connects with the faith of Muslims.

When that primal Islamic fervor is unleashed, they won't be asking to some young girl "Are you C.J.Morgan's daughter" they will just look at the skin color.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E4rMJVHyeg
Yes, the compilor has added comments, but the signs and yelling are still from the Muslims and this mentality resides in Brunswick as much as London.

Regarding Muslims.
Fatwa
...the rule for applying and accepting citizenship of those countries is, much restricted. A Muslim is not permitted to apply for citizenship of non-Muslim countries except in dire need, such as not being able to practice his religion in his own country or fear of oppression or being in danger for his life or he threat of mprisonment or torture in his homeland and there is no Islamic country where he can live. In such circumstances one can apply for citizenship of a non-Muslim country. If it is obliged to take an oath for getting citizenship, at that moment one should try to allude to the words of oath as much as possible to escape their intended point. If he is able to live harmlessly in the non-Muslim country without taking the citizenship then applying for citizenship is not permissible for him. It is forbidden for him to apply for citizenship of a non-Muslim country if he is simply aspiring to material comforts or financial gain. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {And never will Allâh grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.}[4: 141]. No doubt, the believer who accepts the nationality of a non-Muslim country gives non-believers an advantage over him to force him to follow their rules and regulations.
Has any other persons entered Australia as immigrants with this advantage of duplicity not only from their religion but also from their government that will always supersede Australian law and society? Immigration indeed!

I remain in awe of Boazy's deep knowledge and understanding of Islam. As an agnostic, I could never have known that when Fatah are killing Hamas (and vice versa) they are not - at least according to our Q'uranic scholar - killing Muslims.

Boazy: "C.J. I wonder, have you seen the degree of hate present in some of the Youtube compilations of Islamists ?"

Not really. I'm exposed to quite enough religious bigotry in this forum, thanks. Granted, I'm sure there are plenty of Muslim nutters out there too - but why would I bother to engage with them? The only reason I respond to some people here is to provide a sane and compassionate counter, in a relatively civilised forum, to their often quite rabid ideas and pronouncements.

Boazy: "...you would probably even call a multi racial demo 'One Nation One Race' as 'white supremacist' even though most of the people under such a banner are of various ethnicities."

No, not quite white supremacist - just dumb and deluded. But I bet that if you manage to garner support from some benighted sector of the community, it will include the neo-nazis, skinheads and other hateful ratbags like those who turned out at Cronulla, for example. Are you happy to attract and foster these kinds of idiots to your cause?

In another historical context, it was held that if you walked like a duck, talked like a duck, and kept the company of ducks, then for all intents and purposes you were a duck.

While I was never a great fan of those who espoused that logic at the time, it does hold a commonsense appeal. In my opinion, "BOAZ_David" can be regarded as a contemporary 'duck'.

Birds of a feather, and all that... :)

I think the duck just got plucked and Col's pidgin flew home

C.J. have a read of the first chapter of Hosea :) Now..if I'm a duck and a whacko.. what does that make him ?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=35&chapter=1&version=31
Just verse 2....

You really should check out those links on youtube I provided, it might open your mind to why I percieve things so passionately.
Now go on.... live dangerously.. go back and have a peek....please ?

Here is a 2006 fatwa on my favorite target verse in the Quran...

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=20085&ln=eng

Question:
At the present time, is it Halal to have a sexual intercourse with your Loundi (a female prisoner of war) without getting married to her?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with anyone except his wife or his female slave (concubine). A wife becomes permissible after shar’i marriage and a concubine becomes permissible to the man who owns her. She may originally be a prisoner of war, and a Muslim may obtain a concubine from the ruler or commander if he took part in fighting in jihad, or if he buys her from her owner. She becomes permissible for him by virtue of his ownership after it is established that she is not pregnant by waiting for one menstrual cycle, or until she has given birth if she is pregnant.

Pericles would have a fit if he knew of this group in UK calling themselves "friends of Mosely". They are a right wing group apparently. Not my style, but Pericles refuses to see that.