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Australian citizenship: removing the welcome mat? : Comments

By Peter van Vliet, published 5/12/2006

There is a shift away from a welcoming citizenship process towards a more selective or exclusive process.

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Bravissimo!

“They [non-Anglos] would be more liberated and less susceptible to exploitation by gaining a proficiency in English than limiting themselves to the confines of their ethnic ghettos, by building a wall from a deficiency in English” – a typically redneck’s vision of own Anglo-racist activities in any place of a world, where a salesman not understanding stuff he sales mentors those who create products him to benefit from someone's resource and creating goods in at least ten times more than producers and innovators themselves.

“Thank you, maaaaaate” , comes on mind.
Posted by MichaelK., Saturday, 16 December 2006 7:40:58 AM
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MichealK... I'm very interested to know of your first language mate ? please share.

Overall, I think the TOPIC has kinda been neglected here.

A tough citizenship test, should be backed up with profuse information which is 'CULTURE SPECIFIC'. i.e. provided in various forms to best suit prospective migrants, where it highlights primarily those issues which might be a problem for them.

Once this information is clearly spelt out, the citizenship test is simply a matter of course.

The issues of great importance which MUST be tackled prior to any migrant being offered a visa are 'LOYALTY'.

This applies most to Muslims. "Would you kill in the defense of Australia, a fellow Muslim who is invading" ? and this would have to be sworn on the Quran, and recorded thus. I seriously doubt that any Muslim could swear on the Quran on that issue.. specially if they know it is recorded.
Still.. that IS the level of loyalty required of every migrant.
I would not insist on this for those of nominally Christian cultural background, because we all know how during 2 world wars we butchered each other, stopping only for Chrissy dinner in WW1.

Muslims are under Islamic law as follows:

"The grounds on which a Muslim can be killed- deserting his faith" So this cannot apply to an invading Muslim, because the Muslim mindset sees that as 'liberation' and the establishment of Allahs theocracy/Caliphate on earth.

This alone should disqualify all Muslim migrants.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 16 December 2006 8:10:18 PM
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Boaz: "This alone should disqualify all Muslim migrants."

How uncharacteristically honest. Unlike the dog-whistling government (and opposition), at least Boaz reveals that his motivation is to prevent the immigration of Muslims, specifically.

As for the rest of his most recent post above, what utter nonsense! So Muslims don't kill each other on sectarian, nationalistic and other grounds?

Tell that to the Kurds, Palestinians, Shi'ites, Acehnese etc etc who are dying daily at the hands of other Muslims.

I await your next fanciful rationalisation of your bigotry.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 17 December 2006 8:46:30 AM
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CJMorgan “Col, there is no such English word as "pidgeon".”

Really, try http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azspeckpidgeon.html

“we have an old saying in this country that states that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.”

I would suggest you remember that in future.

“Pidgeon” is a reasonably common variant of “pigeon” .

I could even name “Walter Pidgeon” as a movie actor who, according to you had no such name.

So, working from the “Walter”, who is the “Wally” now, CJ?

Alternatively I could suggest another common saying “Don’t sweat the small”

Although, considering the limited wit you present here, what is “small” for most of us, likely present you with a sizable challenge.

As for your outburst “I await your next fanciful rationalisation of your bigotry.”

David was asking a question regarding the topic of “LOYALTY”.

I, for one, would concur with David_BOAZ view; that any person be they Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or Aztec Sun worshipper, who lives here, as a citizen / permanent resident and does not pledge their support first to the nation of Australia, above and before any religion or other nationality, should do themselves a favour by finding somewhere else to abide, than live a life of dishonour and deceit from pretending faux allegiance.

Terms like “Quisling” (something else for you to look up) spring to mind to describe such low lifes
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 17 December 2006 4:17:23 PM
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Col, I think you meant pidgin as in "pidgin English"

But then you beat me to this correction by reference to the feather

variety with your link, lol :)

To answer you question 2 plus some Kreoles.

"The limits of my languages mean the limits of my world”
Posted by Rainier, Sunday, 17 December 2006 9:38:51 PM
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Col: "“Pidgeon” is a reasonably common variant of “pigeon”"

Undoubtedly - at least among people who can't spell. You were referring to pidgin English weren't you, rather than the late actor? And it was you who was putting down another commentator concerning his lack of knowledge of the English language, wasn't it?

I've noticed you tend to prevaricate when caught out in this forum - as in the thread where you made your 'Swedish genes' gaffe, then subsequently betrayed your lack of both mathematical and biological comprehension. I suggest you purchase both a dictionary and some undergraduate texts in statistics and biology.

Col: "David was asking a question regarding the topic of “LOYALTY”."

Nonsense - he wasn't asking any kind of question. He proposed an idiotic question to do with prospective immigrants being prepared to kill hypothetical invading Muslims, which he said wouldn't apply to Christians since they are happy to kill each other and Muslims presumably aren't (according to his expert interpretation of Islamic doctrine).

I merely pointed out that this is nonsense, given that Muslims are frequently engaged in killing each other all over the world.

However, I'm not all that surprised that you and Boaz are intellectual bedfellows, given your shared predilection for posting arrant, hateful rubbish in this forum.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 17 December 2006 10:15:04 PM
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