Just read some of the essays by the Dane Fjordman on the impact of Islam on Europe and the high crime rates in Sweden, Norway, France, and Germany attributed to the muslims.

They live in enclaves because they are encouraged to do so by their Imans who then fill their tiny brains with Hilali like mush, and then they think it is OK to commit rape and other molestations on the non muslims.

Were did they get the ideas from in the first place? ..well by the example set by their founder of course.

Hilali doesnt have any points, other than propogating the nonsense he is supposed to be such a learned scholar about.

I have a teenage daughter who is appalled by the way some females are behaving and the way they are being seen and portrayed. Basically because of the behaviour of a select few, pretty much all woman are often seen as sluts.

My daughter is much more conservative than she would like to be just because she doesn't want to be confused as one of them.

The way some women dress often doesn't help the way they are seen but the actual biggest problem is not the way that they dress, but they way that they act, the choices that they make and their behaviour.

Tonight my daughter is at her Year 10 formal, she looked beautiful. All the girls looked beautiful. Some dresses were very revealing but they didn't look sexy, they looked stunning. It isn't really the clothes that make some women look like sex objects - its the way that they sometimes act and the choices they choose to make.

Somewhere along the line we are not teaching some children common sense and it really shows.

I can't help but think of those Arabian movies where the belly dances would perform with minimal clothing in the tents for the masters male guests.

The man's tone was to ensure fear in the females of the sect and reinforce the custom of the man as the master of the house.

The original concept of the headdress was to ensure that women remembered their place.

To most of the above:

It is a long time since I have read such a pile of racist, sexist, patriarchal rubbish on a public forum. I feel ashamed of my culture if you are the products of our education system or of our family structures. I fear for our culture and our future if you represent common opinions in Australia. I fear for the safety and future of my daughter if the opinions expressed here are in any way representative of what is abroad in the general community.

I sincerely hope that you are NOT representative.

Where is your intellectual rigour? Where is your compassion or empathy? Where is your understanding of our cultural freedoms, or of our civic freedoms, or even of our legal rights? Where is your ability to analyse text or argument?

I have always been a great defender of free speech, and was raised by my parents to respect the rights of others and to acknowledge that my own opinion is not always 'right' - it is just my opinion. I was raised to believe in the rights of all and that community or society is founded on mutual respect.

I repeat my previous comment, which has been ignored by all, I suspect because it raises questions which go to the core of the problem and involve self-examination, placing the problem firmly at the root cause - male behaviour:

Perhaps we should be asking, what is wrong with men? Why do men rape? Why do men believe that women are there for their use? Why are so many men raised with no respect for the other? Why are men so violent? Why do men hurt and abuse women and then claim provocation as an excuse?

Why is the sexual drive used as a cover for violence?

There is something terribly wrong in the hearts of men, and until this is addressed, women will live in fear and articles such as this will masquerade as logic.

Chris,
"Perhaps we should be asking, what is wrong with men? Why do men rape? Why do men believe that women are there for their use? Why are so many men raised with no respect for the other? Why are men so violent? Why do men hurt and abuse women and then claim provocation as an excuse?

Why is the sexual drive used as a cover for violence?

There is something terribly wrong in the hearts of men, and until this is addressed, women will live in fear and articles such as this will masquerade as logic."

Unfortunately it is not long since I have read such a pile of sexist rubbish on a public forum.

The questions you ask are valid for some men and many of the views expressed by some posters are disgusting but really no worse than the kind of generalised one sided swipe that you take at men. Many of the same questions you ask regarding the behaviour of some men can are just as valid when applied to some women, just alter the wording slightly.

Humans have good and bad in is. We are capable of greatness and of horrid depths. The kind of sexist one sided views that your post suggests has no moral high ground. It's just as bad as the worst of behaviour of those you attack.

Stop playing gender politics and deal with human being's rather than generalised groups whom it suits you to villify.

R0bert

Chris_C

Rather.. I'd like to ask you WHO are you referring to ?

Instead of making blanket sweeping statements condemning pretty much every poster here... how about doing us the courtesy of 'picking' out specific comments which support your rather dodgy assessment of all but you.

Having read many of the comments I found little resemblance between your condemnation and what was actually said.

But let me relate an incident from an old work place about female behavior.

There was a girl, around 20, who had considerable sex appeal and was quite shapely. She used to sit in rather provocative ways, like legs spread. Now.. we might ask, was she conscious of this ? and of its possible impact at least on the *thinking* of blokes observing her ? Ok..here is evidence. I (as supervisor) approached her once for some work thing, she swivelled in her chair with her legs wide apart facing me. Yes.. I DID notice and had to gulp. Then...a male worker came over and she immediately CLOSED her legs and sat 'ladylike' !
Now.. I was turned on...yes.. but apart from a swallow, did nothing except the work related stuff as was my job.
This same girl, used to sit at the front of the factory, at a desk facing the work area, with her legs very relaxed and wide. The workers at benches had a clear view, and I noticed them "noticing" her.

I doubt she knew what was going on, but it DID have impact. Was the 'impact' caused by her ? Of course not, the site of a girl with open legs never does anything to a man...right ? and girls have absolutely no clue about such things... right ? and mothers used to say 'Don't sit like that, its unladylike' for no reason...right ? :)

Now..the rubber_meets_the_road question is this.

"If a male thinks a girl is coming on, or giving signals, there is a PROTOCOL"

1/ He asks her out
2/ They carries it on as they see fit.

If she has no interest, she will decline...right ? End of story.