VK3AUU. Your posts are baffling.

Please compare our disagreement with that of a Dad and child. Dad lectures the child about something and tries to explain his position - the child just retorts: “Get real - that’s Bullsheet.”

Your assertion that my posts are like “sheet" (using the word ordure) says more about your maturity than you sophistication. Yes. Yes. I know it’s the testosterone - you can’t help it.

I read Dave Smith’s article again to see what riled VK3AUU. And dam it, I found another disagreeable idea.

“… the rapacious ferocity of the male sex drive, especially in testosterone-filled teenagers. Perhaps Islamic communities are just more realistic at this level….. But I suspect that the statistics on sexual assault and marital breakdown are much healthier over there than they are here.” Well I suspect that the women over there are oppressed and a treated like ordure compared to women here.

I am starting to think that the anti-Islamists were correct to worry that the immigration would undermine our culture. That culture which guards the right of individuals to equal freedom regardless of sex. Let’s fight the ideas that give rapacious males excuses and restricts the freedom of women.

Try applying your ideas in an analogy - like restricting boxing? Maybe this will help you understand my position.

Now the best para of DS’s article.

“Does that absolve a teenage boy from responsibility when he assaults some poor young girl, simply because she was dressed provocatively? Of course not. But maybe it’s time we all took responsibility for the problem, instead of just leaving it to the lads to work it out for themselves, because they won’t.”
Dave Smith this is what has been lacking in this thread. I notice Jolanda (a great Mum) has given some wise instruction to her daughters. But I haven’t seen any posts suggesting that Dads instruct their lads. I think, we are maybe that sexist that we are blind to our own failings and habits. No. It is not the all the girls fault, it’s not the testosterone - it’s the socialisation.

BOAz-David

I think Chris has a point, but NB he/she said 'to most of the above' which you converted to 'blanket sweeping statements condemning pretty much every poster here'. This elision is an apposite example of the low standard of debate on OLO.

I have made several postings challenging those who make some wide generalisation based on personal anecdotes (in your case I'm not sure what your general point is intended to be) and swapped personal anecdotes that illustrate the exact opposite. Anecdotes tell as much about the narrator as they do about the general human issue under discussion.

Your anecdote today is no exception. It tells me a lot about your supervisory and management skills and attitudes - not to mention more sensitive personal matters. I think other supervisors would have handled the issue with much more insight and delicacy.

Chris S

Perhaps you could look closer at the population that are creating the statistics for an increase in crime and rape.

The Anglo Australian has indeed been bought up to respect each other and the law.

This can be reflected in our low representation of population in Australian jails.

The Government does not publically disclose the populations responsible for the increases in crime.

I agree, that by now our society of men should have some control over their beastly urges.

We only need look to the reproduction in the animal kingdom to find that some humans have not fallen far from the tree.

Suebedotoo,

Wasn't the gang rape in Darling Harbour reported June this year
committed by 4 men of Anglo background?
We have to deal with crime & rape as an individual cases of people breaking the law.
The Cronulla riots could not have happened if the culprits who attacked the life saver were arrested and punished as an 'indecent Australians' instead of being portrayed as "Lebanese vs Us" with the compliments of Alan Jones!

Bless you frank... had to put some little 'Bash Boaz' thing in there:)

I neglected to mention I was not supervisor of 'that' section (the desk). The girl concerned worked on that side and my side at different times. The desk thing (on the other section) concerned me and I actually suggested (based on what I observed) that a cover might be in order on the factory side of the desk, and this was implemented. It was a bit delicate because the sup on the other side clearly had a thing for her.(along with 90% of the other guys)

My point, was

1/ That female behavior does...impact on males. Denying this is to deny nature. Some girls do send 'that' signal, and know it.
2/ There are more acceptable and less acceptable behaviors, stances for both blokes and girls.
3/ No matter what the level of less acceptable signal sending either by dress or body language, there is still also an acceptable protocol for legitimate male female interaction.
4/ To knowingly 'tease' males or females by body language or dress, is quite shabby and could legitimately deserve a reminder or even a genuine rebuke in the spirit of:

"Consider then how to stir one another up to love and good works" (Hebrews 10:23)

On Chris C's post.. saying 'most' without saying 'which' is discourteous and unhelpful in my view.

A final point. The very discussion of these issues here, is what community is all about. As Ronnie said about Jolanda and her ideas and advice..etc.. we all benefit from this, and perhaps such forums are becoming the social equivalent of a pub or the town meeting ?
....now where are the scones and the tea... ?
Just imagine the future forum... like holywood squares we will be real time and all have out little 'WebCams' working overtime. Who knows.

BOAZ_david,

I really love that "final point" of yours. Absolutely correct. What I find fascinating (and frustrating sometimes) about these venues is how it brings opinions from across the broadest possible diversity of the community. Another thing I like is being able to rattle the trees of folks who "know" what is "correct" amongst the "proper" people.

Ah yes, diversity and tolerance is the thing. How good is that? It certainly gives the little people an equal voice. But strangely, it seems that those who espouse diversity and tolerance the loudest, often demonstrate the least compliance with its principles - no names mentioned of course, but I think you know the usual suspects I'm talking about. And I'll tell you, they don't like riff-raff like me at all.

And my final point - I hope it nevers comes down to webcams. That would mean I'd have to change out of my PJs, do my hair and take a bath ocassionaly. Such a thing wouldn't do my professional image any good at all.