To those who complain that women's exposed flesh is a deliberate ploy to cause them pain and provoke them into lustful deeds, here's a thought:

Remember how in Victorian times the sight of an ankle could arouse men? And notice how in societies that expect women to cover up completely even the sight of a woman's hair is considered provocative? And notice how in hunter/gatherer societies women seem to be able to go about topless without causing the men around them to become uncontrollably sexually violent?

So, we seem to have a situation in which men get horny fairly regularly, and they look to the group in society that has been designated the appropriate objects of desire (whether that's women, or young boys or whoever) and then if certain areas of their bodies are shown, it is interpereted as deliberately and even cruelly provocative.

I suppose my point is that if you happen to be a member of the group that has been designated the appropriate object of desire, you can't really ever get it right. Someone will always consider you to be being provocative if you're showing any part of your body.

Mind you, if you're wearing a burkha, you're too unavailable, or if you're wearing a boiler suit, you're a bloody man-hating lesbian who should be trying to make herself attractive to men, or if you're wearing a tracksuit and no make-up you've let yourself go etc etc

You know, Hamlet, you're right. A lot of the time women are only dressing revealingly because they've been taught that unless they're looking sexy they aren't really worth anything much. It's more to do with identity and self-esteem than with getting some action from men.

Snooty,
I agree with you. I know of a young of 13 who wears hipster jeans and skirts, bare midriff and low cut tops.

I do not mind looking at girls/women in revealing clothes but what concerns me is that she is niave enough not to be aware of the situation she may be letting herself into and certainly no where near experianced enough to handle a situation she does not like. As you said young men have very powerfull sex drives and this girl is not the only one that is vunerable.

I would like to see more parental supervission but I suppose there is all sorts of pressures for parents to allow young ones out on their own, supposedly with friends.

I don't know what the answer is but I wish kids could be kids for as long as possible because adult life is long enough.

There was this old Nun in France I think, who bragged about her piety and her proof was that in 60 years she had bathed only her finger tips.
She was a victim of rape. Clothed from head to toe and stinking to high heaven. I don't know what the percent of crime ratio rape falls under or how many cases are true or deemed false. I do know that rape is not a normal male impulse. I do not believe one can dress to avoid rape and I think comments by the Mufti and the Priest do a disservice to men and women. I think this constant prodding by media and other social manipultors pitting men against women needs to be rejected by the common folk. A social rebellion where men and women stand together and support one another rather than allowing this trumped up division of the sexes.

BOAZ_David for the sexist comments, maybe you should read your own comments, like Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 14 November 2006 2:01:39 PM and Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 16 November 2006 9:11:25 AM.

And you might call it Australian CULTURE when you are twisting comments around, as well as ducking and weaving when facing reality, I call it providing evidence.

Especially when once more you only quote one line, even those in the different Versions Of The Bible there are many lines and so maybe you should do some research especially to tell us if there version somewhere where Jesus or one of the Apostles says "Do bad works"?

And maybe wait for it, you can also provided evidence, of your comments about Buddhist or Muslims?

Kwv, for your info (in case you don't know it) you can copy a link to a specific post by hitting the small blue icon under a post - the one on the right of the set of icon's under each post. Once you have copied the link you can use Ctrl-v to paste it into your message.

Useful when you want to make it easy to reference another post.

R0bert

Benjamin,

“The media, and police, wanted to show that non-Muslims could also do pack rapes”

In a civilised nation as you mentioned, you should not have to show that.
My point is simple: No event carries a meaning except for how we interpret it.
If we stick to objectivity and judge criminal acts on its merit rather than use it to paint a group or ethnicity, it will work much better for the community and greater Australia.

If the criminals who bashed the lifesavers on Cronulla were judged on the basis of just committing a criminal act, it would have been resolved on the day. The creation of an ‘us versus them’ story lead to ugly consequences.

“Many Muslims see themselves at war with the west”

Some Muslims do, some Westerners reciprocate. It’s never a one side story.

PS: you got the Islamic laws upside down. Rape is punishable by death in Muslim countries. The 4 witnesses approach is intended to protect females from being falsely accused of adultery since accusing an honest woman is the 3rd worse sin in Islamic faith.

Boaz,

Our version of the "truth about Mohammed prophet of Islam" can be found in this debate article:

“Mohammed in the Bible”
http://www.jamaat.net/muhinbible/muhinbible.html

Ahmed Deedat died waiting for a response.

Peace my friend,

T