Ted,
Recently you attributed a quote and certain beliefs to me.
Logic said of Israelis ‘They are not training their children to kill and maim others…’.
I had not said that the about Palestinians?
I disputed Logic's claim by indicating conscription does just that.

Conscription: Israel and North Korea.
Both: use the excuse of overwhelming external threat to
maintain conscription. (This Logic)
have used conscripts to invade their neighbours.
are nuclear powers yet perceive and carry on about
fictitious or exaggerated outside threats.
These make Israel and North Korea similar and substantially different from the European nations you cite.

Why yell? You’d be much better off writing a response to something I’d written rather than to something you’d hoped I’d written.

I said nothing about international edicts, nor the results of negotiations between three world powers at Potsdam. I did say, ‘an edict of the world body’. Notice ‘the world body’. The cases you cite didn’t involve any world body. They involved individual nations not acting as a world body. (Like the League of Nations or the UN)
There is the huge difference.

Some clarity here.
Do you not understand these cases you quote, you are quoting to justify Israel’s continued occupation of West Bank and East Jerusalem and the forced displacement of Palestinians?

Can’t you see that when you do you are using precedents of undemocratic totalitarian Governments with values completely alien to the West… with whom you attempt to align and seek support?

Israel’s values in the area of occupation match those from Stalinist Russia all the way through to Ronnie Reagan’s ‘Evil Empire’. In citing them as precedents you accept that as fact.

You’ve called my comparison with North Korea absurd as well as asinine. Mate what words would you toss about to describe your use of the actions of these totalitarian regimes as precedents to justify the Israeli occupations and illegal settlements?

Logic

Correcting more Israeli misinformation.

Far more Palestinians are killed by Israelis than Israelis killed by Palestinian suicide bombers.
The Arab League peace proposal of 2002 spelt out exactly what you want.

Ted

You are right those weapons are not outlawed.

BUT Ted

their use against civilains and non-combatant peacekeepers is outlawed. Since they were deployed after the truce that's exactly who they were deployed against.

That Ted is a war crime under the terms of the Geneva Convention. So now Ted who ordered their deployment?

Sunisle

“...called today on the leaders of Palestinian factions and Palestinian government officials to bring an immediate end to the lawlessness and vigilante violence that has plagued the Occupied Palestinian Territories and to hold the perpetrators of this violence accountable. ”

“Shi`a armed groups have threatened to kill Palestinian refugees living in Baghdad if they do not leave Iraq within 72 hours, “

“Although both the U N's Human Rights Council and the Lebanese government have called for Israel to be held accountable for its crimes, they have not done so for Hezbollah. This failure sends Hezbollah a message that it can act with impunity while undermining the protection of civilians caught in fighting involving armed groups around the world. “

“The scheduled executions in Iran this week of two juvenile offenders – and their last-minute reprieve – highlight the country’s status as the world leader in juvenile executions “

“Hezbollah fired thousands of these unguided rockets directly into civilian areas with no way of guiding the attack toward a military target, knowing that civilian casualties would be the likely result. “

“Palestinian refugees in Iraq face particularly grave security threats, including targeted killings by mostly Shi`a militant groups and harassment by the Iraqi government “

“militant groups have targeted Iraqi Palestinians for violence and have evicted them from their homes, largely because of the benefits these refugees received from Saddam Hussein’s government and their perceived support for the insurgency “

“Saudi Arabia should immediately end its discrimination against its 100,000 Chadian residents, most of whom were born in the kingdom but are increasingly denied the rights to basic education and emergency healthcare “

“Hezbollah fighters did hide among civilians “

“By adopting a politicized resolution that looks only at Israeli abuses in the current conflict, the Human Rights Council undermined its credibility and wasted an opportunity to protect civilians in the region, ”

“The (UN Human Rights) council decided to establish a commission of experts to investigate deadly attacks by Israel, but took no action with regard to Hezbollah’s murderous abuses. ”

Zionist propaganda?

No, “Human Rights Watch.”

KEVIN- You misunderstand the law of war. One of its fundamental principles is the distinction between military and non-military objectives. But of course, Israel's enemies deliberately shield themselves behind non-combatants. Even the UN concedes this obvious fact.

The IDF requires JAG officers to approve every airstrike and artillery bombardment to ensure that they comport with the law of armed conflict (LOAC). And LOAC holds that a genuine effort must be made to attack solely targets of substantial military significance. And provided an honest attempt to avoid non-combatant injuries is made, armed action is legally justified, even if civilians are accidentally harmed.

The 1907 Hague Conventions are the foundation stone for the modern law of war. Read what Article 2 of the 1907 Hague Convention on Naval Bombardment has to say on this subject:

"2. Military works, military or naval establishments, depots of arms or war ' matériel, ' workshops or plant which could be utilized for the needs of the hostile fleet or army, and the ships of war in the harbour, are not, however, included in this prohibition [against bombardment]. The commander of a naval force may destroy them with artillery, after a summons followed by a reasonable time of waiting, if all other means are impossible, and when the local authorities have not themselves destroyed them within the time fixed. He incurs no responsibility for any unavoidable damage which may be caused by a bombardment under such circumstances."

"If for military reasons immediate action is necessary, and no delay can be allowed the enemy, it is understood that the prohibition to bombard the undefended town holds good, as in the case given in paragraph l, and that the commander shall take all due measures in order that the town may suffer as little harm as possible."

In other words, if a site is being used for military purposes, it becomes a legitimate objective of war. The attacking forces should give prior warning, although not even this is strictly necessary. And if reasonable measures are taken to avoid civilian casualties, the attacker incurs no responsibility for any unavoidable damage.

I have struggled to understand what is going on in Lebanon and Israel.

But I see a loose correlation of the “immigration” debate in Australia. We have groups who hate each other and no amount of logic and reason will stop this.

One thing I do know is that Israel has the right to exist and for the citizens of Israel to live in peace.

Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc. have tried and failed to oust them militarily and it must be obvious that aggression can not work.

I suggest that if Australia was in the same position with neighbors lobbing missiles on us and restaurants being blown up by suicide bombers we would react in a very similar way.

Israel is not totally blameless but I for one can’t blame them for their actions.

Keith

The Bible has nothing to do with this. And neither does the Arab league.