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The misguided sheikh and free speech : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric, published 15/1/2007

The splendour of free speech - the impertinent Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali is no longer capable of corrupting Muslim youth.

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SHEIKH HILALY IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO AUSTRALIA

Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali went on an Egyptian TV show to preview his new stand-up routine called "All Aussie are a convict", capitalising on the success of the "Kaysar and Mufti Show". The routine's best joke was about Aussie convicts in leg-irons. Standards must be pretty low in Egypt because EVEN A POM KNOWS that one's so old it won't raise a laugh. He then stole material from "All Aussies are a boofta", but his delivery was very poor: eg. "Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity". Akmal Saleh (who wrote the material) should sue.

Compare this to just one of the classic moments of the Kaysar and Mufti Show:
MUFTI "Aussie women are like uncovered meat"
KAYSAR "The Sheikh is trying to say how much he admires Australian women because he really loves meat, especially uncovered kebabs."

Hilaly needs to return to Australia and re-unite with his straight-man if he wants to revive his career. A spokesperson from the ABC said that they "had considered running the show" but opted for a repeat of "The Two Ronnies" instead.
Posted by Johnj, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 7:50:06 PM
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EMBARRASSMENT FOR JOHNJ

How embarrassing, I mispelt embarrassment.

My apologies. Now I know how Kaysar Trad must feel.
Posted by Johnj, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 8:13:00 PM
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Mirko said:

"At the same time, the hysterical over-reaction to his comments displays an underlying anti-Muslim sentiment in Australia."

Hmmmmm... 'anti muslim sentiment' ?

May I humbly mention the Anti CHRISTIAN sentiment which drives those statements by the Sheikh ?

Here is one:

Surah 9:30 (regarding Christians and Jews) "Allah's CURSE be on them, they are deluded, and away from the truth"

A similar statement is made by Mohammed on his death bed. RePEATedly.

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "MAY ALLAH'S CURSE BE ON THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets."

Spendo mate.. if you don't know much about Christianity or Islam, it might be time to bone up on them. But don't repeat DON'T go to an Islamic site and expect to see balance or complete information.
Find it out yourself. Hate sites can be helpful, as long as you can filter the real sources and contexts, from the colorful adjectives.

This one is quite good, and gives a lot of the inner workings of the Muslim lobby groups as well.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
There is so much information in that site, basically well documented and sound, you will be a Professor :) This site is more an apologetic site than anything else. Note this section.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Jalal_Abualrub_Craig_Winn_Debate.Islam
for Muslim 'tactics'.
and
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Women.Islam

For Christianity.. try my own little introduction please..
http://truetruth.wikispaces.com/The+Truth+about+Christianity.

There is plenty of material out there, not all as helpful as it could be. Take the time to explore these please.. so next time you contribute it will be better informed and less 'reactionary' :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 9:35:41 PM
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What possible purpose is there to me learning more about christianity and islam, boaz? I'm an atheist. That means I have no interest in the finer points of your quaint superstitions, as I happen to live in the real world.

Besides, it doesnt matter whats written in the bible/koran/lord of the rings, its how people interpret the message thats important.

And you should know by now I never, ever bother with your weblinks.
Posted by spendocrat, Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:50:10 AM
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So many of the responses to this article are completely misguided and fail to acknowledge the most serious aspects of the sheikhs comments- his influence over young and moderate Muslims.

While I sympathise (to an extent) with the alienation felt by much of the Muslim community since September 11, there must be a stronger condemnation of the sheikhs comments from his community. How can mainstream Muslims ever expect to allay the fears and suspicions of the greater (not just Anglo-Saxon) community if they are consistently prepared to defend the indefensible!? More importantly, how can the parents and teachers of Muslim youth prevent their children from growing up to become terrorists and gang rapists if they are not prepared to condemn and remove the head of their faith in this country!? His comments to date should shake us all- comparing women to meat in the context that he did, and rubber stamping jihadists in Iraq should shock no matter what one's political persuasion.

The sheikhs comments do not reflect some misguided notion of freedom of speech. They are dangerous and inflammatory, and more specifically, designed to appease extremists. The only reason he ever attempts to back track is because between his sojourns to the Middle East, he realises just how good he's got it in Australia.
Posted by wre, Thursday, 18 January 2007 2:25:13 PM
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Hilali knows he can use racial vilification, lie his head off and condone rape of Australian women because the government is too spineless to stop him. He pushes and pushes because he knows he can.
There is more than "hysterical over reaction" if a muslim perceives some slight , then you get death threats and all the other hatreds espoused by Islam.
The convicts who came here worked , they at least were not a bunch of parasites. Their descendants have much to be proud of.
Posted by mickijo, Thursday, 18 January 2007 3:05:00 PM
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