Coach: Not an argument just an observation as a result of our studies, private studies.
As in Adam ALL die even so as in Christ ALL shall be made alive.
Christ is the Saviour of mankind
Should just not one be saved then Christ Jesus would have failed in His role of Saviour
ALL includes ALL present pagans (even lunatic death loving muslims),non-believers, atheists, agnostic etc. ALL means ALL not just some nor just a favoured few God will save everybody who has ever lived. The Bible does say "As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow before Me; every tongue will confess to God." God will not break their knees to force them to acknowledge Him though He could He will work with them you see God is love and a love that is totally unknown in us mortals. Regards, numbat

As you correctly observe, Coach, “We aren’t on the same page” – my approach is different and yet again a little different from Numbat’s Universalism. I find I can intersect with quite a few on this forum who have distinctive differences – but, hey, that’s the fun of entering into a dialogue whilst learning, but keeping one’s integrity (or belief) intact.

relda,

So your idea of dialogue is not to engage with the issues at hand?

How can you learn anything if you don't respond to the challenges?

Back on subject.

The Sheikh is signaling to his followers that: IT's TIME to take the next step in this land that Allah has ordained for all Muslims.

Allah’s instruction to his community of Muslims of the world is clear. The earth belongs to Him and it is the responsibility of the Muslims to keep fighting until the religion of Islam becomes the only religion on the earth.

Muslims must live by the commands of Allah as listed in the Qur'an. Else, Allah will burn them in hellfire for eternity.

There is no scope for Muslims to be selective in choosing the commands of Allah. There is no middle or partial path in Islam. For those, who attempt this, the "moderates", heavy punishment awaits them in next life as Allah says in the Qur'an:

".. (the moderates) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement." [Qur'an 4:150-51]

A persistent Allah repeats the warning: "… Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and will be consigned to the most grievous doom in the next." [Qur'an 2:85]

So, was Mufti Hilali wrong? Absolutely not! Instead, he is absolutely correct according to the precepts of Islam. The earth belongs to Allah and his community.

Not only in Australia, Muslims have greater rights over the non-Muslims at every corners of the earth. And they must take charge of the earth through ceaseless fighting and war according to the examples set by the Prophet. Else, Allah will cast them into the eternal fire of hell.

Coach,
Read my posts and you'll find I have engaged with various issues - a variance of opinion or belief (to yours or others) certainly shouldn't be construed as non-engagement.

To what challenges do you refer? I’ve endeavoured to respond to any direct questioning, from you or anyone else.

Your statement, “Not only in Australia, Muslims have greater rights over the non-Muslims at every corners of the earth” seems to reflect something akin to paranoia. The basis of our Western law does not give a Muslim any greater right over us – despite what some of them might aspire to. My last post in “Australian Muslims need leadership” should give good perspective as to where I believe some of the root cause of religious extremism and bigotry might lie.

relda,

“Not only in Australia, Muslims have greater rights over the non-Muslims at every corners of the earth” seems to reflect something akin to paranoia.

Paranoia – is an unfounded tendency toward excessive and irrational suspicion and distrust of others.

My understanding of the Islamic threat to the world is based on extensive research and study of the so called religion. It is based on documented historical events, facts distilled from their own texts and commentaries.

As any rational person would see, the forces of evil in Islam are obvious as black and white. Islam with all its good intentions for a better world is failing to recognise that it has been deceived by a greater spiritual force – rendering it irreversibly and eternally doomed and hell-bound.

“The basis of our Western law does not give a Muslim any greater right over us – “

That may be true only if you are NOT a Muslim. Muslims play with a different set of rules. As I said before they (true Muslims) exist outside our democratic set of laws, they can only respect Allah’s decrees – no compromises and no questions asked.

Muslims will behave like good citizens of a host country for a while. But long term they will never accept any other ruling beside Islam and will start pushing their political colour.

The biggest struggle Islamic leaders have on foreign (non-Islamic) territories is fighting the outside forces of secularism and liberal democracy. They tirelessly try to keep their flock under the tent of Islam – which not only confuses their new generations it alienates them to the point of rebellion – pushing some even to terrorism.

A vicious circle that can only be broken by the mighty hand of the true God of love. Until everyone submits to Jesus as the creator and Lord of this world – we will see wars and destructions to the day He will return in His full glory to judge the world.

Awaiting your comments.

Coach,
Your suspicion extends to the entire religion of Islam and in your view, is entirely ‘unredeemable’ - a staunch view, arguably quite opposite to the very spirit of Christianity. Conversely, I will not be so naïve as to ignore the cancerous growth feeding off the otherwise healthy tissue of ishan (kindness). The Muslim basis to “beautify and improve upon” is being eaten by Puritanism, asserting that they “are the inheritors of an objectively ascertainable and realizable Divine Truth; while Jews and Christians may be tolerated, they cannot be befriended.” This reasoning is no different from your own literal "submission to Jesus" – you each suffer the same extremity of belief. Fortunately, a ‘secularised Christianity’ is no longer predisposed to even the possibility of evangelism via the sword. The evolved separation of Church and State has not emasculated the basis for faith but given greater freedom for its expression. The rule of Western law (along with its basis) protects this expression. Both extremist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity fail to draw a subtle distinction between the operative of Church and State. Unfortunately, a ‘secularised Islam’ remains an oxymoron - contained therein is the medieval belief that it has no inherent detachment from politics.

As having myself being born, bred and raised within a branch of orthodox Christianity, I’m certainly aware of where you’re coming from. I’m also aware of how ‘faith’ should interact within a secularised society – not through physical or manipulative coercion, fear or political power but through the same love as demonstrated in the gospels, pre-existent in the O.T.

Perhaps the real threat to current Western ethos, as there can be no real threat to Christianity, comes from within itself. The so-called ‘cultural left’ comprises it own extremities of ideology and is active (even if through good-intention) in bringing down a society it perceives as unjust. “If a Muslim and a Marxist can agree that we must get rid of a system which breeds the divisions of racism, nationalism, patriarchy and exploitation, then the anti-war and indeed the anti-capitalist struggle is clearly one struggle.” (Chartist, ‘For democratic socialism’)