Hello spendocrat,

"Moderate muslim - good muslim" is a myth.

A Radical muslim is one who follows Quran word for word like the suicide bomber who slits the throats of infidels like me.

A Moderate muslim is one who wishes to be like a Radical but he never expresses it in open as he/she is a coward and fears the (western) society in which he lives.

There may be very very few good muslims. I have yet to meet one. I have met some muslims (of pakistani origin) during Australia-Pakistan cricket match. They are really a bunch of bloody animals (as Gibbs rightly said). They were shouting " Shoiab, Kill Aussie.. " "Allah ..." even on a cricket stadium.

spendocrat, do you think "paedophile" and a "mass-murderer" Mohammed (pbuh) is/was the perfect man on earth/ I am eager to read your reply

I thought a spendocrat was a person with unlimited discretionary spending - ah well. On a more serious note, there are some Muslims who are prepared to live and let live but many "moderates" know instinctively that eventually they will out-breed the host culture. Holland, France and to a lesser extent Germany are increasingly worried about losing their country's heritage and way of life. Don't rely on my word - cruise the 'net.

Do I think Mohammed was the perfect man on Earth? Aside from struggling with the grammar of that question, I'm also confused as to how I'm supposed to answer. Are you under the impression I am a Muslim?

I know as little about Islam as I do about Christianity. But I know enough the understand that both have been used to justify great atrocities throughout history. By your logic I should be fearful of just about every person on the planet.

You believe there are 'very very few' good Muslims. Firstly - I've been to sporting events, and the people you've encountered, well, I'd put them into the category of 'idiot sports fans' rather than their religious category. I've experienced many offensive drunk noisy human beings, and one thing I've learned: it don't matter where they come from, drunken idiots are pretty much universal.

Secondly, it's a shame you haven't met any Muslims you get along with. I would suggest (a) being a little more open to the possibility, your own attitudes may have stunted your chances of this encounter, and (b) perhaps not making a judgement of millions of people based on your own extremely limited personal experience.

You're right about them being a bunch of animals though. Being part of the human race, we in fact all are. Scary, huh? You share 99.9999% of exactly the same genetics as these people!

Wouldn't it make more sense to rally against bad people of all denominations, and stand proud with good people of all denominations, rather than grouping and categorizing people in such an arrogant and generalised manner? Maybe? Judge people on their own individual merits, perhaps?

People have the perfect right to be stupid. They do not have the right to be criminal. Too bad al-Hilali and his apologist like Keysar Trad, our Mirko Bagaric and others don't want to see this. Too afraid to come out against their own, so favour slagging Ausies. Forget the niceties of cultural respect. Australian Muslims through their leadership have made it clear to Aussies where Australians can get off. It comes through loud and clear. "We're Muslims. We're Australians if it gets us something but, don't depend on us to hold National convictions. We are not as good as our word."

Can't say we don't know where we stand.

Mirko Bagaric : I agree with you. The Sheik may be misguided but he has every right to insult anyone. It's a wonderful right we have here in Australia.

Obozo: Mohammed was a paedophile. But if I use my right of Freedom of Speech and speak about Mohammed, I will get banned. It's sad.

perikles: That's true.

spendocrat: I think you should read both books and make an opinion. That may clear your doubts.

Al-Hilalli is not "misinformed' or "misguided" - he is expressing the real sentiments of his fellow Muslims who will publicly deny it in front of a camera (like his monkey Trad).

Without these outbursts (and our media vigilance) the rest of us will never know what really goes on behind Mosques doors.

Islam is a supremacist ideology "misguided" by its own teachings (Qur'an, Hadiths, and Sunnas). They regard all of us Non-Muslims as inferior Kafir and idolaters. That is the message that is fed to their offsprings – straight from their Prophet’s Mouth via their Sheikhs and Ulamas.

The Sheikh's remarks - on a comedy panel show in Cairo - are non else but part of a string of media stunts to promote discussion, educating us on the virtues of Islam - the religion of Peace - and to keep Islam on the front page – as part of a progressive programme of infiltration into our society.

Muslims post 9/11 are hurting badly. Islam needs a miracle shot to regain it's once-upon-a-time lost empire and vitality.

The Australian Islamic PR machine needs to regroup. I don't think the Stooge at the helm and the many daily criminal activities (local terrorist plots) are helping them much at the moment.