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The misguided sheikh and free speech : Comments
By Mirko Bagaric, published 15/1/2007The splendour of free speech - the impertinent Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali is no longer capable of corrupting Muslim youth.
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Posted by meredith, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 4:03:19 PM
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Tit we do not have a right to say anything we like in this country at all. You do not understand our legal system.
I thought he just offended us convict decendents but looking at his U Tube speech kindly provided above, it is far worse. Firstly under the various Anti Discrimination acts in I think every state and territory, you cannot make discriminatory comments, particularly in public, against lesbians and gay men. He is not endorsed to speak in a religious organisation making public statements, so the Lesbian and Gay and Transgender community can file a class action for defamation and vilification. If they can sue John Laws, they can sue the Mufti. Secondly the Aboriginal people can demand an apology for the Mufti claiming their land, most of which is now their's again in reconciliation land title agreements. If there is a challenge for land, there are special laws to protect Aboriginal land title claims. Thirdly the whole thing was a lie: "The best evidence of this is the hundreds of mosques in the center of Australia built by the Afghans. Some of them were destroyed, and others were turned into Australian archeological museums, and still others remained unharmed, and they bear a history that proves that Islam has roots and ancient connections to Australia. " the Mufti. Don't persecute him as a matyr, sue him and those that support him to utter bankruptcy. I wouldn't ignore him either in appeasement. This offense is from a man, and if anyone wants to support him, you can help pay his legal fees. Posted by saintfletcher, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 4:28:32 PM
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I must admit that I wasn't particularly offended by the Sheiks comments unlike some people in this thread. I vote that we give him all the 'free speech' he needs to air his views as he will continue to expose Islamic theologians for what they are - purile, petty, bigoted.
Well done the Aussie media for splashing the Sheik's bigotry all over the front-page and prime-time for everyone to see. Keep it up! Posted by TR, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:02:58 PM
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R-right coach, did you say the interview was on a Cairo Comedy show? So he was telling a joke?
Very funny Mufty. We have a sense of humor too. Spike Milligan was much funnier. I particularly like the spoof called "the Pakistani Dalek". All you Dr Who fans will love this one. Now, who does the Pakistan Dalek remind you of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ5txdOL0GQ Don't blame me, it's Spike Milligan's fault. oops, sorry Mufty. I'll put some sticky tape on my mouth. To everyone else, try not to laugh at the Spike Milligan tape. Its really not PC at all. "Put him in the curry". Posted by saintfletcher, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:30:33 PM
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PART I
Dear Mirko Bagaric, The only way I can digest your acticle is by acknowledging that you are a viscious anti-Anglo racist who can't see harm when done to an Anglo. The Sheikh is a leader of the largest Muslim community in Sydney, the Lebanese Muslims, he is not just some guy at the pub. If I were to take just one of the many crimes these twits (Keysar Trad as well as the Sheikh) have committed over the years and somehow change the timeline and make a prominant person of Anglo heritage act out this crime, then their career would already be buried. If they were a religious or a political leader, they may have even been charged with such offences as "discrimination against gays" (Trad at UWS 2002), inciting rape (Hilaly with his "uncovered meat"), racism (Trad with his convict dregs remark 10 years ago and Hially's remark in Egypt), putting a hostage's life in mortal danger for political gain (Hilaly in Iraq when he lied about seeing Mr Wood "eye to eye", he endangered Wood's life as the kidnappers demanded that no media know of the tape). Imagine if Cardinal Pell said what the Sheikh said about rape and women? I wonder if the Bagarics of the world would be in a frenzy that time around? The sheer fact that they would be in a frenzy is evidence of extreme bias and racism. Bagaric reminds us that the philosopher Mill once wrote about how important free speech is to a free society, but that there are certain limits. These are: don't shout "fire" in a crowded hall; don't spread lies or defame others; don't incite violence. Has not Hilaly incited rape already? Has he not defamed the Anglo-Australian people? Has he not incited violence, knowing that in his community there is a sizable portion of hotheads, as well as religious extremist, who revel in the Sheikh speaking about us "Westerners" as trash, "meat", and that he would never back down and apologise even when wrong, until the White House is removed from the Earth. Posted by antiBigot, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 4:41:45 PM
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PART II
continued comment to Mr Bagaric...... It is well known that there is much tension between the Lebanese Muslim community and the wider Australian community, particularly the Anglos. For nearly two decades, the community of non-Muslim Australians who live in areas such as Bankstown and Lakemba have been trying to communicate a frustration that they have with a certain element of the Lebanese Muslim community that is highly antagonistic and downright racist towards Anglos. Hundreds of gang bashings, stabbings and shootings and even gang rapes are well documented, ALL being committed by the Lebanese Muslims onto the Anglo Australians. But when the victims of these assualts and just the general intimidation try to speak out for help, they get shunned, silenced, and even turned from victim to racist perpetraor. It is this frustration that eventually led to Cronulla, and still the anti-Anglo racists and their Left-wing nihilist masters sweep it all under the rug. Bagaric today with this article continues to sweep it away. All Croatians are criminals and their women ask for rape by Serbian men when they wear their hair down. Is this not race hate? Is this not defaming of a whole people for no reason? is this not even inciting race hate and discrimination if I were to say this as a leader of the Serbian community? Of course it is. Funny how everyone who comes here seems to think that only Anglos can be racist, but they don't stop to think that if that were so true then why do their parents' homelands consist of such vile race/ethnic divisions and even wars, and why do only Northern European countires, as well as their colonies, have societies where all races/religions are equal in law and in practice. Australia has changed demographically from over 90% Anglo fifty years ago to under 50% today (see ABS). Considering that no other nation has without violence undergone such a change in history, I'd hardly call the Anglos of Australia racist, more like jesus like tolerant. So much it starts to be to their detriment. Good day, racist anti-Anglo Bagaric. Posted by antiBigot, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 4:52:02 PM
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True they need to regroup n so forth, but also they need to be held accountable for Hilali.
The islamic community have let him stay along time, same with Trad. It has been in their hands to simply remove them for years, and they have not.
Trad and Hilali also needs to charged with racial vilification... It is only fair.