Johnj

When ever people are afraid to speak out or exercise their rights of citizenship because a minority can behave in a fashion that is excused or sought to be excused in the name of appeasement. That society becomes a little less. That was the message of those Germans who are able to talk about the insidiousness of toxic social disintegration.
Between you and I. I doubt Australia is any more immune than any other country.
We make every excuse for the Australian Muslim community for not speaking out against "their" leaders for spreading such filth. Excuses we would not make for any other culture. The word precedents come to mind. How do we respond when another culture takes up such behavior. And another will, eventually, because this has been a success. Victim and aggressor all in one. I get to strike out. I get to defame. I get to resort to violence. I get to because I am a victim. I am outside of your society while I live with in your nation. I get. You give.

The difficulty with Islam compared to any other political threats(other isms) is the veil of RELIGION that Islam hides so cleverly behind.

Every time a rock is unturned revealing yet another fault in Islam, we are quickly reminded by their propaganda machine (aka moderates) that it is a peaceful religion only wanting to worship their god… and our dear PC leftists will fall for that every time.

Freedom of religious expression should be preserved at all cost. My main problem with Islam is that its religious expression cannot be separated from the total state and social context.

For Islam to exist, it is forced to function separately from the state UNTIL it has the necessary power to impose an Islamic state onto that country.

The dissonance manifested in that separation of State from Mosque PLUS the lack of a unified global Islamic leadership is at the source of Islamic frustration globally.

Islam has been under many pressures – internally and externally since the collapse of the last Ottoman Empire in 1924. Like a wounded dragon “with many heads” it wiggles and squirms before it finally collapses…or regains more lethal strength…and becomes a bigger threat.

A good illustration is today’s scene in Iraq. Islam’s hunger for dominance and supremacy is preventing a peaceful resolution. Short term we will see more sectarian wars and more attacks on the freedom troops...until total anarchy and finally Islam.

Islam is not here to simply co-exist with us. How long can a hungry wolf behave itself in a pan of sheep?

To ronnie peters,

You compare a rape inciter, murderer supporter to a women (Hanson)who was concerned that her country was recieving too many migrants with racist views and attitudes.

"I think that our concern needs to be with the real extremists. The hardcore utilitarian zealots who see the only way to peace and happiness is through killing innocents and constantly attacking other cultures and peoples. " (you imply Hilaly is not this type of person)

"The “christian) utilitarians who can't see that Christianity is supposed to be about holding firm to certain principles (thereby, preserving the value and authority of those Principles which in turn ensures long-term stability) have apparently chosen to go down the same path of the extremists and warmongers"

What a nut. Where is there a group or even one person, who is a Christian extremist, trying to bring their philosophy to the world, and believing that mass murder and racism is an acceptable way to do his politics.

"And communities need to sack or refuse to support these groups and individuals whose main intent is to try to create disharmony and destroy positive aspects and relations in Australian society. "

You don't know just how right you are. The community needs to stand against these bigots and racists and rape & violence inciters, but they don't, as we painfully realized more fully when Hilaly's meat comment was not "actually" denounced by ANY of the Islamic leaders (Sheikhs and administrators). The best we got was "I realise these comments can seem offensive but only if taken out of context or misinterpeted". Others, such as Keysar Trad, actually tried to say that the Sheikh was saying that the Sheikh was saying that the rapists should have gotten a longer sentence, but as is clear from the Sheikhs recent comments in Egypt, he said what we all thought he said in the first place.
And in regards to the media creating news, I suppose they used the two Sheikhs (Feiz & Hilaly) as puppets and threw the vile hate words into their mouths.

Unable to come to terms with the violence of our own religious heritage, we have increasingly come to perceive the violence of other religious traditions as strange, alien, or even evil. In other words, Islam has become, as Judaism once was, a dark mirror in which we see and persecute the reflection of our own unacknowledged past.
We appear to have a reluctance or inability to acknowledge that our own culture is itself the product of a fundamentalist religious revolution of unprecedented rigour and severity.

Our revolution took place in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. It was carried through both by Puritan preachers and by leaders of the Counter Reformation with fanatical zeal and, at times, murderous cruelty. It has left deep scars upon our culture, and its heritage survives today in the rigour of the political and economic doctrines to which we are in thrall. If we but pause to even think or even ponder, Islam’s deep links with Judaism and with Christianity are still preserved in its religious calendar just as they are in the Koran. In its fierce monotheism, in its patriarchalism, and in its very choice of patriarchs, Islam is nothing other than the offspring of Judaism and Christianity.

Islam appears in danger of becoming the most important of all the West’s modern apocalyptic enemies- it has filled the vacancy left by the recent conversion of the ‘evil empire’ of the Soviet Union. The drama of the Last Judgment, standing at the imaginative heart of the historical Christian faith, is now rarely alluded to by Christian preachers. The terms ‘hell’ and ‘sin’ are seldom used. The notion of God’s ‘wrath’, which once thundered through Paul’s letters, has, by a process of theologically rationalised mistranslation, mysteriously disappeared from the New English Bible.

Certainly, radical Islam poses a threat, but with sheer hypocrisy we’ll fan the flames of a prophesied and self-fulfilled apocalyptic vision.

It appears to be general belief that these radical, hate mongering muslims cannot be deported because they are "Australian"citizens. If they are guilty of encouraging evil among their followers by the terrible speeches they are making, surely they could be sent to "off shore" centres where they could be held indefinately until such times they either change their views OR give up that Australian citizenship they hold so cheaply.
And any 'view' changing should be taken with a proverbial grain of salt.
It is obvious they are filling the not so bright heads of the young muslim with stupidity, creating a danger. In the west, two taxi drivers of middle East descent are accused of raping or sexual assault on female passengers.
It is bad that women and girls can no longer catch a taxi safely, why is this filth being allowed to happen?

These hate intrenched people wont be deported due to the liberal and labor party being too pathetic and do not want to loss votes.

that is why our government wont get rid of them.

If anyone can say they agree with that

our women and daughters are just like meat

australia is more muslim due to aussies being chained

jihad let the children die

jews are pigs

now these people are racist, inciting violence and their allegion is to australia i very much douht so isnt it time we actually told and showed these people what being australian is.

email: swulrich@bigpond.net.au

if we dont stand and stop these types of acts even though we do believe in free speech what is being said is not speech but a call for war.
If i dont recieve emails you dont want real change and only interested in whining so will see who will stand and who will keep wingeing