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The misguided sheikh and free speech : Comments
By Mirko Bagaric, published 15/1/2007The splendour of free speech - the impertinent Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali is no longer capable of corrupting Muslim youth.
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Posted by Skid Marx, Saturday, 20 January 2007 1:01:38 AM
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There is a definite LINE between free speech and direct threats, with real malicious intent, affecting civilians and our national security.
If I called John Howard a coward and a liar in public, that would constitute freedom of speech. I would not be behind bars for saying it. But if I said "publicly": Australia would be better without that liar and coward Anglo John Howard, and it is my duty to kill him in the name of Allah. Or, "I hereby issue a fatwa for all Allah’s people living in Australia to get John Howard the next time he is seen power walking..." I am sure that pronto I will become very acquainted with our friendly men in black. Or will I? It seams our dear Islamic leaders have been saying worse things for years - of course always denying it later - without any reprisals. (We) are clearly allowing a religious sect with a core mandate from their god Allah to destroy the free world, civilization as we know it - taking us all back to the 7th century dark ages... They are achieving this by using every form of jihad in their arsenal (media, terror, multiculturalism, interfaith, intermarriage, conversions, etc…) abusing our stupidity and tolerant naivety, programming their kids to hate all non-Muslims, and fight us in the name of Allah and his prophet. Three options: 1. Submit to Islam 2. Reform Islam 3. Destroy Islam Since Islam WILL NOT and CANNOT reform – because they cannot change, delete or even question a single letter from their alleged divine revealed text. Islam WILL NOT and CANNOT stop until its objectives are realized. (convert all to Islam and live under Shari’a law) To think otherwise, will be against Allah's WILL and the teachings of his prophet. It is therefore un-Islamic not to impose Islam on the rest of the world. That leaves us with option 1 or 3. What will it be Australia Posted by coach, Saturday, 20 January 2007 12:08:51 PM
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coach
You have hit the nail on the head. The retentious atheista/rationalista (puffed up and self-righteous) cannot stand aloof from the conflict that is to come, courtesy of flawed migrant policies; misguided multiculturalism and a fear in government of the political consequences of standing up to those who would destroy Australia, be they mad mullahs, the extreme Christian Right or those who loftily defend their so-called 'civil rights' especially lawyers who benefit from notoriety and a bulging wallet. To those who think there is no threat, we are living on borrowed time, purchased by exemplary police work. To reiterate what has become a hackneyed phrase: "We have to be lucky all the time - they (the Islamofascists) only have to get lucky once." Take off the shades and read about what is happening in the UK, Holland, Germany, France and even the Nordic states. No-one is hiding this information - it's all across the net and we can't stand back and say we have been deceived about their objectives. It's balls-to-the-wall time for us all, including whatever ther feminine equivalent might be. Keeping swinging coach, and watch for the curve ball! Posted by perikles, Saturday, 20 January 2007 12:46:10 PM
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If you would like to read a short article about how easily one may loose rights assumed by a society. Read the following.
It can all happen while your kept busy just living a day to day life. http://www.nowpublic.com/that_blissful_sleep Posted by aqvarivs, Saturday, 20 January 2007 2:42:09 PM
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aqvarvis
you have helped restore sanity to this issue and thanks for the reference, which I have downloaded and commend to one and all. Remember too, the words of Pastor Neimoller: First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Social Democrats, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Social Democrat. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew, Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. It's time for the politically correct to shut up. Posted by perikles, Saturday, 20 January 2007 5:34:57 PM
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Thank you aqvarivs, I followed your link and found it most interesting.
Were you referring to this bit "Islam is fascism. Fascism stands for a centralized, autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Islam is the religious and social expression of fascism and Koranic law and sharia enforce it." Ot this bit "This separation of government from people... took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised... as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance ... the crises and reforms so occupied the people that they did not see ... the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter....the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires." Or this "Decent people [were kept] so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ WITHOUT AND WITHIN (my emphasis), that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. " Tell me if that second or third bit reminds you of any place you live? I'm not altogether sure that the possibility of Australia becoming an Islamic Republic is the biggest threat to our democratic institutions or way of life. Posted by Johnj, Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:02:11 PM
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Which brings me to the jihadists.
Sheikh Feiz Mohammed's ranting is simply reflecting the teaching of the Qur'an and the main recensions of the hadith, and the sira ......the Jews, whom Mohammed called “brothers of monkeys.” ( 2:62-65, 5:59-60 and 7:166 etc etc — where the Qur'an records that “Allah transformed the Sabbath-breaking Jews into pigs and monkeys.”). It is not surprising that Jihadists take delight in killing Jews considering the actions of their prophet
Hilali is doing exactly the same in everything he says - reflecting the teaching of the Qur'an and ahadith.
Ditto bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, al-Zarqawi (null), Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Hizb'allah, Hizb ut-Tahrir etc etc.
They all quote the Qur'an and the Traditions and no Muslim can refute them - how can they? They're only saying what the Qur'an teaches.
The CTF ministers and other alarmed non-Muslims quote EXACTLY the same verses and suddenly they're "far right-wing", bigots, racists and Islamophobes.
Mr Soliman...... said Mr Howard should think twice about addressing the group.
"It is a dangerous thing for a senior politician to do." Is that some kind of threat?
Waleed Aly described Catch the Fire as "spectacularly ignorant".
Well Waleed, smooth-talking taqiyya-merchant that you are, perhaps you can enlighten us - did they take the Qur'an quotes "out of context"? Are we infidels so spectacularly ignorant to think literally hundreds of verses of the Qur'an are violent, supremacist, misogynystic etc? What bit of "We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve..... Jews and Christians are under Allah's curse......unbelievers are the "vilest of creatures".....they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off......Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other....etc" don't we understand?
Kevin Rudd called the Sheik's rant obscene and demanded action. What? Does this mean he's all for outlawing the Qur'an? After all, Sheikh Feiz Mohammed is merely the monkey, not the organ-grinder.
Good on you, Mr Howard, a leader of a Judeo-Christian country should never cave in to Muslim threats and whining.