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The misguided sheikh and free speech : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric, published 15/1/2007

The splendour of free speech - the impertinent Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali is no longer capable of corrupting Muslim youth.

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I'm with you. Kick them out.
Posted by perikles, Sunday, 21 January 2007 5:25:05 PM
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Sorry Relda – you are misguided too.

Religiously speaking, there is no link between Islam and Christianity or Judaism.

Mohammad (the alleged prophet) was never mentioned in the Bible. He does not bring any new revelation nor does he "prophesy" anything the bible hasn’t already mentioned.

The Qur’an is a poor interpretation of old folk nomadic and pseudo-Christian tales.

The core nature of Islam is Anti-Christian and Anti-Jewish, as clearly seen in its actions today.

The apocalyptic role of Islam (if any at all) would probably be the bringing of the Anti-Christ to the final scene.

The only possible link of Arabs to Abraham is through Ishmael – who was NOT part of God’s plan for humanity and who was clearly NOT mentioned in the divine blessing that God had through Isaac and Jacob.

The only way to God is and has always been through the descendant of Isaac and Jacob: "Jesus". Not Mohammad or anyone else.

Unless you can prove that the Bible has been somehow changed – these facts remain true.
Posted by coach, Monday, 22 January 2007 7:10:34 AM
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Well said coach. As I'm under seige elsewhere, my time on this blog is limited. Until the destructive power of these demagogues is curtailed and they are removed from this country, I foresee nothing but trouble and possibly death.
Posted by perikles, Monday, 22 January 2007 7:29:45 AM
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Coach, your slip is showing.

>>Mohammad (the alleged prophet) was never mentioned in the Bible.<<

This would suggest that the Bible wasn't written until at least the seventh century, since it would have been impossible to include a mention of a prophet who lived from 570 to 632.

Actually, your post is a string of very strange statements.

>>Religiously speaking, there is no link between Islam and Christianity or Judaism<<

So the God they refer to is different in each case? This is contrary to the assertions of a number of other posters - I personally couldn't tell the difference between them either, but possibly you can? Help us out here.

>>The Qur’an is a poor interpretation of old folk nomadic and pseudo-Christian tales<<

And the Bible is... what?

>>The core nature of Islam is Anti-Christian and Anti-Jewish, as clearly seen in its actions today<<

From much that has been written here (hi Boaz!) it would seem to the casual observer that the core of Christianity is anti-Muslim.

>>The apocalyptic role of Islam (if any at all) would probably be the bringing of the Anti-Christ to the final scene.<<

Only if you believe in the concept of an "Anti-Christ". And if you do, the statement probably becomes self-defining. But meaningless to the rest of us.

>>The only possible link of Arabs to Abraham is through Ishmael – who was NOT part of God’s plan for humanity and who was clearly NOT mentioned in the divine blessing that God had through Isaac and Jacob. The only way to God is and has always been through the descendant of Isaac and Jacob: "Jesus". Not Mohammad or anyone else.<<

Pure mumbo-jumbo.

>>Unless you can prove that the Bible has been somehow changed – these facts remain true.<<

Which one - the one written after the seventh century, or another one?
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 22 January 2007 8:59:48 AM
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Coach,
Not only is your slip showing, I fear your pants are falling.
Need I remind you of the basic link between the three Abrahamic religions. No doubt, as someone who professes biblical knowledge, you should comprehend Abraham as not only the legacy of peace and blessing, but also for violence. You can fight wars over God, you can run crusades, you can fly planes into buildings and you can kill yourself in the service of killing other people - violence in the service of faith begins with Abraham. The Jewish Torah and the Qur'an have parallel stories of Abraham. For the Jews and Christians, Isaac inherits God's blessing. For Muslims, Ishmael is the chosen son. God commands Abraham to sacrifice his son. All three religions revere Abraham's most spectacular test of faith.

Perhaps, after all, it was the collective mental figment of imagination of the Israelite tribe of Levi, who called their god Yahweh. Moses, the great unifier, a member of the tribe of Levi, naturally declared this ‘invented’ and tribal god as Yahweh, the official god of all of Israel – the same ‘warrior’ god as adopted by Islam. Islam – the youngest claimant to Abraham’s patrimony is pitted against the two older ones – Christianity and Judaism. In this centuries-old conflict, religious dogma, however, has always played the surrogate for very practical objectives, bluntly put – for territorial and political conquest and domination.

One can generally accept Western civilization as grounded on Judeo-Christian tradition. Secondly, if you see this primarily as being a conflict between Islam and the West, it is therefore also a conflict between Islam and the other two Abrahamic religions. Ralph Peters cogently observes in his ‘Beyond Terror’, “Unfortunately we are poorly prepared for this war. . . We are prepared to fight machines. But the enemy is belief (or simply hatred). Whether that belief lies in religion misinterpreted or in ethnic fanaticism, it commonly rejects our rules of warfare, as surely as it does the rule of law.
Posted by relda, Monday, 22 January 2007 9:45:37 AM
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To Anti-bigot. You call yourself anti-bigot which implies that you are not a bigot. Well I think that you are a bigot. Your reading of my post suggests a prejudice based on your need to have people agree with you completely. Or was it that I mentioned Marx? Your reading of Mirko Bargaric’s article and the tone at which you address him and other posters suggest to me a deep hypocrisy (or perhaps contradiction) in your thinking. There is certainly an arrogance based, I think, on a subtle bigotry towards people who you apparently regard as inferior in their position and thinking.

I tend to think that if you and Boaz et al were born an Arab you would still behave like bigots. Except you would be quoting from the violent bits of the Old testament to stir up trouble with Christians and Jews and you would also be pointing out western atrocities and the excuses that are used to justify them.

Oh yes you’ve cottoned onto the idea of reverse racism or the tendency of multiculturalists to be more forgiving of others’ cultures (not bigotry -just being overly accommodating and being self-assured Chrisitians in the real sense at times). Just as you Anti-bigot and your lot accommodate willingly the terrorism of the West while railing against the likes of Hilaly.

Since when do Australians follow other cultural mores. Hanson would always point to faults in other cultures to excuse her flawed ideas. This is similar to the way you operate Anti-bigot. more
Posted by ronnie peters, Monday, 22 January 2007 11:40:04 AM
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